Plausible destinations for our vets?

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  1. Pinwheel1

    Pinwheel1 Well-Known Member

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    I would move Grant and Thybulle.
     
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    Maybe relative to the new normal contracts people are getting
     
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    inconceivable Well-Known Member

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    would you rather have one jason tatum or jerami grant and jrue holiday? salary wise they're the same

    boston is a different animal in that they SPEND to keep all their good players

    Has there been a recent championship team not exceeding the salary cap?

    Salary cap: $140.5 million
    Luxury tax: $170.8 million
    First apron: $178.1 million
    Second apron: $188.9 million

    An example of balanced team in luxury tax but under first apron (<178.1 mil)
    no supermax player

    Starters
    45
    35
    30
    20
    10
    Rotation
    8
    7
    The rest
    23
     
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    Ah, depth. Such a beautiful thing
     
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    Logs in a "logjam" should only be counted as logs if they are actually good. I see no logjam.
     
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    Looking at that depth chart the starters look pretty good, but damn there are absolutely no shooters on that bench.
    They can still start Ant if they want, but if they did, he would need to come out early so he can go back in with the 2nd team.

    If they do trade Grant, then that is one less shooter on the team. But assuming they do, I would then start Walker at PF for his rebounding and think about bringing in Reath as a spread 4 with the 2nd unit. (This would change if Murray's 3 pt shot improves in fall camp)

    As for Camara, I would play him ahead of Thybulle at SF. To me, Matisse is a guard, but I think Banton is a better fit next to Ant, at least on offense.
     
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    It is notable that we're so keen to trade two of the best shooters on the team - Simons and Grant. You'd think Grant's value would be pretty high, given the rarity of rangy defenders who are genuinely good shooters.

    If we DO trade them, then Shaedon damn well better get more consistent and efficient fast or it's going to be an ugly season. (Yeah, yeah, I know - Cooper Flagg - but we still have to watch the damn games.)
     
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    No reason what so ever, that Scoot, Camara, Walker & Murray improve their shooting. Its their job and they have all the time they need to practice their shooting!
     
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    It’s probably a me problem at this point, but seeing DA still being tossed in trade proposals is getting old. They are terrible trades as well, but it’s just the fact he couldn’t be further from the trade block.

    And no, drafting DC has not changed that. At least not for a few years where it legitimately could make sense to split them up. Currently they’re both excited to be twin towers together, you catch that vibe and ride the ever loving bajeezus out of it as opens up a brand new lane in the metaverse where we may actually come out of this rebuild madness better than we were before it all started. Anyway. Back to figuring out what 2nd round swaps are available for a young 18-10 center who loves being here.
     
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    Part of me agrees with this, in my thinking well, Clingan isn't ready for 30 minutes a night. But I continue to o back and forth on, if the plan is Flagg(or Bailey or...) then what harm does it do if we put him out there, with RW3 or Reath(when RW3 gets hurt) backing up, and the occasional small bal lineups we'd see with like Walker or someone at C. Does it hurt his development to be out there with Scott, Advija, Sharpe?
    If we could send Ayton to NOP, Ingram to a 3rd team, and actually get assets for Ayton? Why not, if we have 2 competent backups on the roster, one in RW3 which it sounds like they actually like a lot.
     
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    If we are assured to get Flagg or Bailey, and if we are assured that both will become stars, then sure dump all our best players for future picks so we can be assured that we will suck again this next year. But when the top 12 projected players have not even played a single game in college that seems like a poor bet.

    Granted Flagg seems to be an exception as he played well against NBA talent but the others could have flaws that we don't yet know about.
     
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    And you know this because...?
     
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    Trade Ayton, keep the other THREE centers. That's enough for any team! No point in trading Williams when his value is at its nadir. Converse for Ayton. He was the only offense for a while last season, but I don't want the Blazers to be a team that force feeds Ayton. I think he needs a coach that will either light a fire under his ass or will coddle him like Isiah Thomas coddled Jermaine O'Neal.
     
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    Spooky - I was literally JUST running this very scenario through a trade machine. But I couldn't find a third team that makes sense. At first I thought Atlanta, because they have no incentive to suck this year, as the Spurs have their pick, but they just drafted Risacher and, besides, have nothing we want. Detroit? MAYbe, but I'm not sure this is the season for them to start winning, otherwise why did they take Holland, who is def. a project. But then again, they just signed Tobias Harris, and I'm not sure if that makes them more or less likely to want Ingram.
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    I was just looking at this, struggling to find any reasonable options. Maybe Chicago, get the massively undesirable Lavine and multiple picks back (including our own)? Otherwise, I have no ideas.
     
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    Yeah, 3rd team is tough, and likely eliminates a grant destination in the process. But Lakers could be one. GS if no Lauri, for a similar package? SA to add scoring punch alongside wemby. Charlotte?
     
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    Cugel The epitome of mediocrity

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    Who would score at the rim? It ain’t DC
     
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    The thing is, it’s also false. You CAN try the same thing over and over and get a different result. It’s called persistence.
     
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