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They could sue, just like the people who sued McDonalds for causing their obesity. However, those lawsuits have been dismissed, and it seems likely that one of this nature would be as well, because the person is willingly engaging in an activity with the expectation of being scared. It is generally difficult to hold someone liable for providing exactly what you requested from them.

This would actually have a bit more validity, as it is well-documented what decibel levels cause hearing damage, and it is understood that humans will be in attendance, so if one can legitimately document that the volume surpassed safe levels, everyone involved in making the environment unsafe could legitimately be liable. Though, it would be tough to prove that a single incident caused an individual's hearing loss, as it would be likely that said individual would also have other contributing factors (other concerts, earbud usage, swimming, frequent air-pressure changes, illness, etc.) to which one could point as defense against the claim.

Again, you can always sue, and especially if you receive a post-incident diagnosis of a stress-induced cardiomyopathy, then there would absolutely be a legitimate case. This third example is even more relevant to the premise @e_blazer mentions, because it involves the intentional commission of an illegal act (like driving drunk, or storming the capitol).

Also, while discussing the validity of this premise, it's good to remember the concept of "felony murder": if one commits a violent felony, and someone dies--whether directly or indirectly--as a result of that felony, then the felon is also guilty of murder. For example: the offender intends to commit the felony of robbing a bank. A third-party bystander, a bank worker, tries to stop the robbery. They pull out a gun aiming to shoot the offending bank robber but instead hit and kill a customer at the bank. The offending bank robber can be charged with felony murder even though he did not shoot anyone. (example pulled from the link above)

This is a long-standing legal precedent.

 

Need to get in here and clarify--dude had 2 strokes, not a heart attack. And since he had no physical injuries, it honestly requires a bit of a stretch of the imagination to claim that the riot cause his strokes.

 

It might not be classified as an injury, but he was pepper-sprayed twice. And stress can cause strokes, and the riot presumably was stressful...
I imagine he was predisposed to strokes, he was only 42 and from the pictures, looked pretty healthy.
So, maybe he would have croaked sometime soon anyway, possibly even that very same day... but then again, maybe he wouldn't have.
They did convict a guy for pepper-spraying him. Not for killing him.
So I'm on the side of 'no officer was killed by the rioters on Jan 6th'.
However, 174 officers were injured. The fact that none of those were "killed to death" doesn't make any of it acceptable.

barfo

 

Fires were set outside the building but quickly put out. A piece of plywood over the door was lit, but also quickly put out. The building itself was not lit on fire.

 

You are referring to me.

Three cops weren't "murdered" but officers died due to the riot, from a stroke, and from suicide. Civilians died too from getting shot, a heart attack, and an overdose. The two officers hit with the fire extinguisher in the head didn't die, but were injured. I was wrong about about the facts surrounding the cops and I can admit that. I admitted it then. Yes, the media got that wrong. There was a gallow set up for Pence and had they found him, I have no doubt they would have attempted to hang him on it. They were chanting about hanging him and trying to find him.

 

Those were the Antifa people disguised as Trump people that were doing that.

 

Ok, so far we are on the same page.

What is this 'jaded narrative' you speak of?
From my point of view, it was basically pure luck that they didn't directly kill any cops.
I don't believe the rioters attacked the police very carefully so as to inflict injury on 174 of them, yet stop short of any deaths.

barfo