Free Agent Devonte Graham

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  1. Rastapopoulos

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    OK, don't accept it. Doesn't mean Anfernee isn't trying.
     
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    The interesting thing there is how we convinced ourselves that Jerami is a good defender.
     
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    he's certainly been disappointing as a defender. Add that to his woeful rebounding and there's plenty not to like.

    the irony, for me at least, is I was expecting a better defender and a worse three point shooter. He's flipped the script
     
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    So now are we back to his salary? I have been adamant that I want to see him come off the bench and provide what this (and every team) needs........ scoring. He does not necessarily need to make his teammates better, he needs to make his team better. Which of course you don't want either. Not until we have multiple stars on the team. Good luck with that.
     
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    I'd agree with that. Though both are bottom half of the league. Ant has been the better offensive player of the two.
     
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    I've never said these players are the same. You are pretending I've said that.
     
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    I hear you, but I fully disagree that "putting all the weight of a franchise on potential" is a smart move during a rebuild. I think there is a list of negatives with that strategy which can seriously hurt the rebuild.

    Again, I'm not anti-trading Ant. If we can get good value for him, by all means we should do it. Forcing a move to make room for Sharpe (when Sharpe isn't being held back), even if the value isn't there, seems foolish to me.
     
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    Look at the post I replied to. That's your answer.
     
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    I've only advocated for trading Ant for good value.
     
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    Yeah, I got it. You are selective with when and how your apply your logic.

    I still never said (pretended) Scoot, Sharpe, and Ant were the same players.
     
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    We agree on that!

    He doesn't have to go, but if we can get good value for him, we should do it!
     
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    Everyone agrees with that. Now trying to get everyone to agree on what is fair value, is
    a completely different story.
     
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    Yeah I'd rather avoid the treadmill...
     
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    If he were trying he wouldn't be one of the worst offenders in NBA. He has all the lateral movement athleticism he needs. The only thing he lacks is effort (on the court and in the film room and in training) to be a decent defender.

    *Edit* And regardless, his intentions don't mean a damn thing to me. If he's too stupid to be a good defender then that's just as bad.
     
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    No, not exactly, IMO. He needs to go or we're not going to get as good of value for him. The best value we're ever going to get for him will be prior to the trade deadline this season. And that's probably less than we could have gotten for him last season.

    There will only ever be more pressure to trade him. Or he'll be pouting from coming off the bench. Keeping Simons only invites problems. He's just not good enough to separate himself enough from our younger guys. And they're going to pass him unless he stands in their way and hinders their development.

    Scoot will run the offense far better and make his teammates far better. Which will more than make up for any loss in individual offensive output. And his defense will be far superior.

    Sharp will be just as effective offensively (while not dominating the ball) and far better defensively.

    And even if those guys do those things, that still doesn't mean they'll be stars.

    And Simons is not going to be okay with coming off the bench behind guys who don't put up as impressive numbers offensively.

    IMO, Simons is the guy that good teams trade away.
     
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    Then you wouldn't have replied to me the way you did.

    Which is the reason I replied to you the way I did.

    We shouldn't trade all of them because they're all in different situations. That is your answer. We've seen Ant for longer. As I have told you half a dozen times

    Their situations are completely different. Their timelines are completely different. That's why we shouldn't treat them all the same.
     
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    Look: there are skills that no amount of athleticism can give you. Remember Michael Jordan's baseball career? Was he just "stupid"?
     
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