Plausible destinations for our vets?

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  1. Foxx

    Foxx Well-Known Member

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    Meh carrington may become something, but for now I’ll take the young promise of Deni who shows to play one of the most well rounded games you’ll see these days.

    blazers stacking picks with no plan of improving the roster now… now that would be devastating. Deni was a mvp pickup for Cronin who has been absolutely crushing it in the face of plenty (unwarranted) criticism.
     
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    Cugel The epitome of mediocrity

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    LAL fans have now found a way to trade for Curry! Two Frp and DLO et al. I shit you not.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    But, doesn't that mean "bad" lottery team?
     
  4. Whyachi

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    Dubs fans should counter with Wiggins & 2 picks for Anthony Davis.
     
  5. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Hmm... that seems like a bit of a stretch, but you're certainly entitled to your opinion.
     
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    seems pretty universally a win for the Blazers from both fanbases and leaguewide, just sharing their opinion and possibly agreeing
     
  7. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Oh, the Deni pickup was great. It's the idea that Cronin has been "absolutely crushing it" and that criticism of him is unwarranted that seems off to me. I think he probably overpaid for Avdija, I think he wasted opportunities in the second round, I think he should have been able to deal Grant this offseason (Ant too). And there's plenty to criticize him over from prior seasons as well.

    Still, I'm optimistic for the impact Deni and Clingan can have going forward. I'm just less optimistic that Cronin will be able to convert Grant/Ant/Tisse/RW3 into solid pieces for the rebuild.
     
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    naaah, Wizards fans are not happy. Cronin pritchslapped DC. Now they're stuck with Jordan Poole, Kuzma rumors, an expiring Brogdon, and a possible bust #2 draft pick.
     
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    Could say that about every NBA team except the Wizards, Pistons and Nets.
     
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    He's exactly the type of player we wanted to get for Damian. A young front court player with star potential.
     
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    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    I'll reiterate...

     
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    Ok, you have a right to your opinion. But we really lost nothing in Brogdon. And the chances that we'd have drafted a player as good as Deni with either of those picks is below 50%, let alone 2. The chance of it being an over pay is = to the chance we would have struck gold on the 2 picks.
     
  16. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Again, goes back to the two methods of conceptualizing asset value. I don't disagree that Brogdon and the two picks likely have lower combined intrinsic value to the team's future than Deni does. I'm just saying that those assets likely have higher market value. Overall, I'm happy with the Avdija trade, but I don't think it's unreasonable to think he probably could have acquired him for a little less than he did.
     
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    first thing: Brogdon was not the future so yeah, no upside was lost by trading him. However, he was the best player on the team statistically. There's also this: Portland won 15 games when Brogdon played; they won 6 games when he didn't play. A .380 winning percentage when he played; a .140 winning percentage when he didn't. He was the most impactful player. Obviously, there was more going on than just the Brogdon influence, but having a savvy veteran who actually knew how to run an NBA offense vs Ant and Scoot, who didn't, was a big factor

    as far as the two draft picks, we don't know how good or bad the 2029 pick will be. Hypothetically it could be the 2nd pick in a great draft, or the 30th pick in a poor draft. Just going by where Portland and Milwaukee are, and where they are projected to be in 2029, there is certainly some risk in giving up one of those picks (I'm assuming the Celtics will still be good). Blazers also traded two 2nd round picks, their own in 2028 & 2030. One final note: when the Blazers fork over that future 1st, it could be a year after Avdija has left as a UFA.

    whether or not it was an overpay is probably going to depend on how good Avdija actually is. It was a steep price though. For certain, trading away two first's (#16 & #23) for Covington was not a good deal for the Blazers. Avdija looks like a more complete player, but he really only had 1 solid year out of 4 on a bad team
     
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    If you're placing bets you'd assume the picks that far in the future would be ~15ish. To me, trading a two picks for a player that already is young and on a good contract, that you know is going to be good is a no brainer. Deni would have been the #1 overall pick in this draft.
     

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