Politics Ukraine / Russia

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  1. UKRAINEFAN

    UKRAINEFAN Well-Known Member

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    Actually, it wasn't that great a recap. He does make some good points though and has a couple good jokes!
     
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    Little video from inside Sudza, russia. Reminded me of a very telling fact. In contrast to how people in Ukraine actively opposed russia when they invaded, either with guns, preparing molotov cocktails or protests; there has not been a solitary act of resistance by russian citizens in Kursk.
    https://www.kyivpost.com/videos/37590
     
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    At a recruitment center in Sudzha, Yuriy Butusov is destroying documents on Russians who dodged service and refused to let Putin have them killed. As a result, these Russians won’t be drafted into the army.
     
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    Ukraine continues to advance in Kursk. Russia has moved more troops to block them. But...

    The Russian troops in the Kursk region are under 3 different leaderships that do not work together. This has caused problems for the Russians. Even the Russian airforce does not know where their own troops are. There have been several reports of attacks on Russian convoys by their own airforce.

    Not all is rosey for Ukraine. Russia did move one top level battle group into Kursk. Instead of attacking the Ukrainians. They set up an ambush, and waited for the Ukainians to be trapped, with no help available. Ukraine did suffer bad losses here. This worked once. Unlike the Russians, I doubt the Ukrainians fall for this a second time. And understand who they are going up against
     
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    Ukraine has been ramping up production of their large long range drones and also the Neptune missile. They hit a large fuel storage area in russia, at least 14 tanks have burned, the fire is till burning after five days. Also hit an air base very hard and today a ferry carrying railroad tank cars.

     
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    a very serious tragedy? Oh no!

    anyways
     
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    The Russian airbase hit in the last video, maybe totally destroyed.

    As of 2 days ago, there were 29 military jets based here. It is not clear yet how many jets were destroyed in this attack. But, this is a HUGE loss for Russia.
     
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    There are reports that Russia is taking the position, if they believe NATO forces are even about to strike with long range missiles into Russia territory, a European nation will be hit as a warning.

    They've also basically said that a peace deal is now off the table.

    This is how close we are to the brink. At this point, it seems the two most likely outcomes of this are the total destruction of Ukraine via conventional means, or nukes.

    Cheering on the Ukrainian(NATO) invasion is cheering on the latter outcome. No matter what your position is on the ethics of the war.
     
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    Why would NATO do that? There is no need. Ukraine is doing just fine.

    If Russia doesn't like how things are going they should just pull out. Maybe they can convince Ukraine to stop taking Russian land.

    The only people guilty of anything is Russia. Don't poke the dog if you don't want to get bit.
     
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    You think that incursion force will go on to conquer Russia? It will not and could not. Even if it were capable, nukes still come into play gec Russia wouldn't accept that kind of loss

    This brings us back to the what seems to be the only outcome we can realistically hope for. Ukraine's total defeat using conventional weapons.
     
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    Totally. Ukraine s defeat should only take a few days... Right Russia?
     
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    Who said that? NATO has been building up Ukraines military for years. In fact,they admitted the mind accords were just a rude to buy time.

    This incursion force is the best stuff they have left. They'll galycant in the kursk region for awhile, but it's only a matter of time.

    After Russia absorbs this flurry of punches Ukraine will be spent. Then we get to see if NATO triples down and escalates yet again.
     
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    Ukraine still has millions willing to fight. What is going to be spent? I have no doubt the West will restock them.

    This'll go on for years if Russia doesn't pull out sooner. Ukraine isn't going to give up. And the world will make sure they have weapons to fight back.
     
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    Russia supplied North Vietnamese & China weapons to fight Americans and the USA supplied weapons to the Mujahideen to fight Russians. Then many of them became Taliban fanatics that fought us with US stingers and such.
     
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    These are the competing narratives. I believe there was a lot of enthusiasm early, but it's waned. You see videos of them literally pulling young Ukrainian men off the street, which wouldn't be necessary if there were millions of volunteers
     
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    Yes, but this is a much higher level of support. And Russia feels like it's fighting a defense war. Russia will launch nukes before losing a conventional war in their own territory.
     
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    Yeah I saw a video of the Pope robbing a liquor store too.
     
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    This has even been reported by bbc news.
     
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    Several months ago, Ukraine did lower their draft age. From 27 to 25. Ukraine is not drafting kids.

    Russia's mandatory military service starts at age 18, kids.

    Short update on yesterdays attack on the Russian airbase.
    8-12 fighter jets destroyed or damaged. Important support buildings destroyed. Some of the buildings may have had jets inside, and the reason the number of jets hit is not known.

    BTW, many Russian kids are fleeing to Finland. The border crossing has been packed.
     
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    Yeah, drafts happen when you're being invaded. They expect people of a certain age to report. If they don't, they go collect them.

    It's the same in every country that has a draft.
     
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