Would you argue against a law making gun owners liable (both criminally and civilly) for crimes committed using their unsecured firearms? (footnote--I admittedly am ignorant to whether such laws already exist)
Yes, there are differing situations. It can be enforced after the fact. It's not hard to tell whether negligence was involved or not. Take the Oxford shooting for example. Those parents were negligent as shit. Parents cannot be allowed a free pass if they could have stopped it from happening. Yeah, some of those kids will make better decision. I'm all for education. But, we can't depend completely on it. Kids can't be handed that responsibility. That's not fair on them. I'm not saying take away people's rights. I'm saying hold people responsible when they are responsible.
Didn't those parents get sentenced to 10 years in prison for negligence? I'm simply saying there's no reason to make unnecessary laws and restrictions to target individuals if we already have laws in place that can do that.
In that case, it appears that it was more than just leaving the gun accessible, but purchasing it for their minor son, while also willfully ignoring mental health issues.
I think those laws already exist (as stated above). I don't think you'll be able to make a law that requires people to buy a $1000 safe in order to own a gun. I think that would violate the spirit and intention of the 2nd amendment.
We can already charge people with criminal negligence... If we want to get parents put in jail for neglect that leads to their kids causing harm that's how we should do it. What would a new law help? I was gifted my first shotgun when I was 12. Did I keep it under my bed? No. My parents held it for me until I was 18. Could I have gotten it anytime I wanted? Yes. Even though it was in a several thousand dollar (in today's dollars) safe. Just like the Newtown shooter was able. People don't treat their kids like they are prisoners. And they shouldn't have to.
I'm not necessarily saying we a new law, we just need to make sure we are enforcing the ones in existence. Make examples so that it's followed. Yeah, some kids like you were don't shoot people. Others do. Maybe the Newtown kid was raised just like you, bought a gun early, taught gun safety. Did it work? Does it always work? Should we just leave it to the whims of children, hoped they listened and learned and make the right choice? Then deal with it, when it happens? Why should that be put on children.
Well no, he was troubled and his mother sheltered him from getting help. This is a situation where mental health workers in the school could have identified the problem and helped understand that the mother wasn't making smart decisions about getting him treatment. That was a suicide and he wanted to go out in the blaze of glory.
you are right. Just trying to think outside the box. I truly believe no change for long term betterment will happen as long as the instant media/social media glam is the forefront of our children's viewing pleasure. I see it all the time and im lost as to how parents can allow their kids to be living on these devices all day. I see it every time im out and about. Parents walking around, kids following behind on their phones. I dont have children, though we very much wanted them, so i don't claim to know how easy or difficult it is. I can only imagine its extremely difficult without the bulk of society doing an about face all at once. Schools educating children by way of pc and tablets instead of hands on coaching, parents using tablets to entertain their toddlers. We are indoctrinating the children virtually from birth and on such a massive scale to deny your child the same access as others could also create a dissadvantage. I just know I cant imagine how confused the youth will be 20 years from now. I mean, my coworker had her four year old boy in the office the other day. Such a cutie btw. But…. He had a tablet for entertainment and when mom said, say hello to Jason, he put his hand up, muttered no aNd never looked up from the tablet. I laughed it off, because we hifive, but in hindsight, he may grow up with little social skills, likely leading to a lack of emotional maturation. and i see this type of scenario allllllllll the time….
define kill. I very much believe phones are killings us. Its just a slow death. Like when one says cigarettes can kill???? So can phones.
Thats all rainbows and unicorns in utopia land, but very much not reality. My 50 plus years of experience living all over the country is 25-50% of people will get over on you if they have an opportunity and believe they wont be caught. Whether this be stealing a car or stealing your gold ring on the sink in the bathroom. or using exit only lanes to get ahead and cut people off on the freeway. There will never be a society filled with only nice people. sad to type and wish it weren't true but many people are selfish and/or get off on other peoples misery.
I’ll stop you right there. This has nothing to do with “screen time”. It has to do with lazy parenting and the lack of discipline. My daughter was on her phone constantly throughout HS. But she used it as a tool to get into college. Kid was finding recipes and workouts on TikTok nonstop. Used it to share her highlights with coaches on twitter and Instagram. I used it to grow her brand. What you said about being online and screen time definitely happens, but the lack of parental guidance gets the blame on bad kids. We see it, the kids whose parents aren’t involved are an ABSOLUTE mess.
Pardon me, but that's BS. That's what people say because they don't really want to make an effort to make a difference and they use "everyone else does it" as a crutch. Certainly, there are awful people out there. But being awful in response to it is weakness, IMO. And that's from my 50-plus years of life experience.
My kids have an hour and a half limit everyday. After an hour and a half their phone just locks and they can't be on it anymore. They can text us or make an emergency call but that's it. You can even get more strict than that if you like. When they get home from school they don't have their phones until all the chores are done and all their homework's done. There are definitely solutions available.
