Game Thread The Debate! Donald Trump vs Kamala Harris!

Well you're living in complete and total ignorance then, congrats.

 

Trump goes states rights on the abortion issue, which appeals to the Ron Paul bumper sticker I have somewhere in storage, but personally, it's hardly been worth the division. The country had far more important issues than abortion. I've seen the Biden economy, and the wealthy do just fine, as the cost of living increases and QoL decreases for the middle class. I think a Trump administration tax cut binge will cause a 6 month or so boom period before we crawl back to start, both candidates will be a net positive for the wealthy and accumulate massive debt. Kamala openly boasts a Goldman Sachs endorsement, just to show how the party lines have blurred.

This is the uniparty stuff I'm talking about, the merging of the old guard Pelosi, Schumer type of Democrat and the leftovers of the Bush era against any sort of populist candidate, even if it's just a rerun of a bluffing pot stirrer. Rove makes a good point about the debate too, it's not like he's wrong.

Tries, promises, rarely does. That has defined Donald Trump for me. His administration was an ineffective clusterfuck. He cares as much about his majority white, poor, uneducated base as a Goldman Sachs executive.

 

Because she's a politician. 90% of the word solid from that debate came from Trump.

I am not a fan of Kamala Harris. She's such an improvement over Trump that it's almost not quantifiable.

 

This has all been the case since at least Clinton. Both parties are anti-middle class in that they are beholden to the wealthy.

Republicans far more so than Democrats. But Democrats aren't our friends either, IMO.

 

Um, he actually incited a mob to attack the Capitol and let it go on for several hours. He DID that. The attempt was unsuccessful, but the attempt was carried out.

 

I am far more concerned with the future of the Democrat party, because they've repositioned themselves as the party of the elite, without any real discretion on who comes aboard. Romney, McCain, Bush, Cheney, whoever. I have little faith in MAGA without Trump, J.D Vance is woefully ineffective, and the Thiel's of the world have their own agenda that will move on from Trumpism if it's a proven failure. You can just tell too with these bad AI social media posts of cats wielding AR-15s that MAGA is winding down as a cultural phenomenon.

 

He started a bar fight and ran out the back door as his most goofy supporters turned the capitol into a clown show. I honestly feel bad for the people stupid enough to protest on his behalf. Nobody will ever convince me that such a farce of an event was this 12 9/11s at once. 75 year old dementia patients and a guy running around dressed as a viking. A real threat to Democracy that was...

 

Until we get serious about getting the influence of money out of politics or at least mitigating that risk I don't have much faith for either party.

 

Interesting.

More than a hundred cops injured. Several deaths. People armed and carrying zip ties. MAGA legislators running for their lives.

The people in the middle of it sure seemed to feel it was a real threat.

 

It was a lot of people. And if they would have gotten ahold of Congress that would have been devastating.

Luckily you're right and they were all a bunch of idiots who didn't know what the hell they were doing.

My problem with Trump in this instance is that Trump didn't know that and he very clearly expected them to help him maintain power by force.

 

I agree with you. It broke my heart to see Bernie go from restructuring campaign financing to blowing the Cheney's on air, who ran a government entirely for lobbyists. The progressive wing are the only real hope for the Democrats and that is a terrible signal for the future.

 

If Karl Rove is saying you got owned, I’m fairly certain you were owned.

I can’t think of a Republican operative with more clout when it comes to campaigning than Rove.

 

Trump’s a weenie. Got his ass kicked by a girl in the debate and now he won’t debate again. Bwaak, bwaak, bwaak!

 

I think Harris played Trump again.

IMO, there wasn't a lot for her to gain with a second debate. Maybe that's why she suggested it, realizing Trump probably wouldn't want for it to look like she was calling the shots. Instead, he looks chicken and she doesn't have to risk him getting a little bit of his mojo back.

 

Because his short comings have been discussed and dissected ad nauseam on here in over a dozen different threads. I'm not arguing with you about what he does, it's well known at this point.

 

Is there actually a single poll that says Trump won the debate? Or is he just polling things out of his ass?

 

Harris has nothing to gain from saying anything. All she needs to do is run on hope and positivity by doing things that give her good press.

As long as she is in the news cycle in a positive way she's going to win. Especially after that debate.

It would take an incredible misstep for her to screw this up.

 

If you seriously thought the capitol riot had any chance of overthrowing the United States government, I don't know what to say. I didn't keep up with the story long enough to figure out if the cop that died was killed by a protestor or just had a stroke. I know the Babbit woman got killed for foolishly climbing a barricaded door or something. It was a national embarrassment, but not much else. Like most populist rhetoric, it leads nowhere substantive.