2024 Training Camp thread

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  1. Phatguysrule

    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Ant is nothing like Dame. Are you serious right now?
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    He's not better than Ayton or Grant, for sure. I don't think he's better than the new white dude (who's name I can't spell yet) either.

    But he doesn't deserve to come off the bench. He just needs to be traded.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Because he's the point guard... If they can disrupt his ISO game we're fucked. Because he doesn't know how to play team basketball and our coach apparently doesn't have the ability to pound the concept of "team basketball" into his head.

    That's why Brogdan was better.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Nobody is trading us any player of value for Ant. We'd almost certainly get more out of Sharpe or Avdija... We'd definitely get more out of Grant or Ayton.

    Given a year or two with minutes Scoot will be worth more than Ant.
     
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  5. THE HCP

    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    On the defensive end?
     
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    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    You think this new white dude would get us more on the trade market than Ant!!!??? Bro?
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Dame is a far superior defender and rebounder compared to Ant.

    Not to mention far better offensively...
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    We aren't going to get much out of Ant. A pick and a bum is likely the max.
     
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    Seems like a pretty big undervalue….a pick and a bum? Dont think that’ll be the case..
     
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    Would be awesome to get more. I'll definitely take it!
     
  11. Rastapopoulos

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    Look at how much Hartenstein got and how much OKC got praised for giving it to him.
     
  12. PtldPlatypus

    PtldPlatypus Let's go Baby Blazers! Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    Interesting to hear the contrast between Coach Billups and Danny Hurley. Of course, we have been told by others that coaching doesn't make any difference anyway.

     
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    that 'white dude' was just traded for Malcolm Brogdon plus TWO first round picks. There is no way that Ant would get traded for a return like that

    last season, among 'qualified' NBA players, Simons ranked:

    PER: 87th out of 185
    TS%: 126th out of 193
    3ptFG%: 65th out of 160
    winshare/48: 145th out of 185
    BPM: 96th out of 185

    he's a little above average as a player. Meaning his presence doesn't help the Blazers, and his absence wouldn't hurt
     
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    You should monitor this thread that was just created by someone.

    Thus far there are no replies - so this will be an interesting experience to see what type of trade value Simons has:
    https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=2407960
     
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    Rastapopoulos Well-Known Member

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    Casey spends a good ten minutes in his latest video trying to defend Chauncey about this.
     
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    Look I agree he is not the best player on the team, but these analytics are useless IMO because most tend to be dependent on one's teammates.
     
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    Cugel The epitome of mediocrity

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    Hurley is a winning coach.
     
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    How do you figure that? If that was the case, then wouldn't all the players on the team have similar metrics?

    PER -> Very individualized and heavily skewed to offensive production
    TS% -> Only 1 player impacts this metric
    3ptFG% -> Only 1 player impacts this metric
    winshare/48 -> I can see the argument for teammate's influence on this stat, but basketball is a TEAM game - and it's about how well you fit within the TEAM concept. This stat helps measure that.
    BPM -> See response to WS/48
     
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    OK let's look at 3pt shooting. If you are in a line up with 4 good players, don't you think that player will have more open shots as opposed to someone trying to manufacture points because few others can? The guy shot 43% in 20-21.

    Completely agree that basketball is a team game and it is all about how well you fit within the team concept. But the Blazers used a lot of different lineups (some who were Gleauge players) They have intentionally tanked for part of the last 3 years. If you are comparing him to players throughout the league, how is win share even remotely relevant?

    Again I am not saying he is our best player. I am not even saying he should start. But he is the best 3-level scorer on the team.
     
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    Mediocre Man Mr. SportsTwo

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    He’s exactly like him defensively
     
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