Politics Official 2024 Presidential Election Thread

That's definitely true, but just talking about populism gives Trump that outsider appeal since so many don't actually follow policy.

 

No. Those regions were less healthy to begin with. You may as well assert that listening to gangster rap and country music caused more covid deaths. The excess death rates correlate exactly with wealth. There's an extremely tight health/wealth correlation.

The masks, the vaccines, the lockdowns, didn't do anything except hurt people, in a variety of ways.

 

That's not what the data shows. That is an emotional take that you WANT to believe. But it is not based on the actual evidence.

 

You don't seem to be grasping the reason why this study doesn't mean anything.

I'll put it to you another way: the "covid measures" have been studied in isolation, masking, school closures etc, and were found to have no affect on covid. This just further proves the conclusions of the paper are stupid.

This is the problem: people produce papers like this to confuze and bamboozle people into compliance and in going along with harmful edicts.

 

Sanewashing in action.

Headlines: Trump blasts hurricane response at economic forum.
Straightforward. You can agree or disagree with criticism of hurricane response but certainly valid campaign issue.

What Trump actually said:

 

You're saying he wasn't effective enough to lead the nation. Re-read what you wrote. You are in no uncertain terms saying he was not up to the job.

I swear, the data is undeniable. The reasoning is irrefutable. And we'll still have people like you trying to say he couldn't do the job ... well, because he couldn't do the job, but somehow it's OK.

 

He failed in that he promoted the fast tracking of a shitty treatment that has brought nothing but harm. Even Biden and the ladies on The View were saying they didn't want to be first in line to get it, until they decided that was not going to be the left's position. And he surrounded himself with swamp rats.

But now he's endorsed RFK Jr who was calling this stuff out from the start.

Even though Trump is flawed, power must be kept from the hands of the Democraps, because they are the front of an corrupt establishment. The Democraps = the Neocons, that's why Dick Cheany loves them, and they openly brag about that.

 

Let's take your bad take apart a little bit more, Beast.

First, your side is the one that keeps pushing for state's rights. You're all about "various edicts" in every other case. But this? States' rights are the problem now that kept Trump from getting the job done? Too rich.

He's the president. His job is to handle it. He didn't. We employ him. If he's a clerk in our store and his main job is to make sure something is on the shelves or the prices are correctly marked, we wouldn't excuse him for not getting it done.

The Obama carryover to Trump is very important because the economic trends were progressing at the exact same curve as Obama's until COVID came and Trump botched it in the worst way possible.

And, again, Biden took over and our recovery surpassed that of the same countries that were doing better than us when Trump was president.

But, yeah, let's give a guy who was objectively one of the most failed presidents of all time another chance because it hurts your feelings to see him lose.

 

Pfft, millions dead, millions of other lives ruined, despots emboldened on the world stage. He couldn't get his wall done. He couldn't even get his insurrection done.

He's a failure, Beast. A total failure.

 

Excuse my hyperbole. Yes, there are some who don't want any change. That's usually reserved by the elite and the media who doesn't give the full picture - such as calling medicare for all a radical left position. It's not - it's polling at 80% of the country.

Yes, those same consultants that ran Hillary's campaign sound like they're at it again for Kamala. Voting against the other guy isn't enough anymore. Give us something to vote for.

No change on the genocide. No fundamental change on economics. No fundamental change on health care. Incrementalism will be the death of the country.

But go on...

 

Well... that's where the lobbyists who fund her campaign tell her the votes are...

 

I don't vote for genocide enablers. That's not my cup of tea. Maybe yours but not mine.

I prefer her winning. Don't take it from me. Look at the polling.

 

And you don't think her team knows that and wants to stay employed?

They are paid by those lobbyists.

 

In case reading isn't your strong suit I'll provide it again.

 

Campaign consultants don't expect to stay on after she's won. They bring the same conventional wisdom that brought don't Clinton. They get paid either way. They aren't particularly invested and many work for either side.

 

If all of the lobbyists pull their funding they'll have to cut staff and they could get laid off before the election... and then what do you think their prospects would be for working for other well funded campaigns who need lobbyist money?