Politics Official 2024 Presidential Election Thread

If you aren't voting for Harris you are voting for Trump. I hate it, but that's just the way it is (unless you live in a heavily dem state that Harris will carry anyway).

I'm sorry, but Trump is far worse than any other president we've had. We must rise up and defeat him, and anybody else like him. We must force the republicans to be less extreme or we'll never be able to move democrats to the left. And burning the whole thing down is not an option.

 

What a load of shit. The current vice president of the US isn't responsible for what's happening in the Middle East, and using that as an excuse not to vote for her is pathetic. Especially when the alternative is a Russian puppet and wannabe dictator.

 

Nobody has to specifically say any of that. They know who's giving them money. They know what positions they hold. They know when those people give them more or less money.

 

I live in California and my vote is not irrelevant!

 

Definitely not irrelevant. But if you chose to vote for a third party it wouldn't hurt Harris or help Trump.

 

Tim Walz: the only thing Trump manufactured is bullshit.

I really like him.
And I am voting Harris/Walz. I am working in campaign office seven days a week except Yom Kippur.

 

You can tell people what you will or will not do without speaking a word. As you are very well aware.

Especially when it comes to their paychecks.

 

As do I

As am I

 

I agree, but you should tell Kamala this. Not me. Tell her to give us reasons to vote for her. It's simple. Stop the genocide. Provide solutions to the health care crisis in America. She's not even offering to codify Roe v Wade.

This is a really low bar that she doesn't seem to know how to clear.

Give me a reason.

Also, I'm in California so my vote doesn't count so don't come at me.

 

This post is a load of shit and everybody knows it. She's been asked time and time again and has offered no differences in her policy from Joe Biden. She has been given numerous opportunities to do so and hasn't. Cope somewhere else.

 

I might prefer she wins, but not enough to defy my morals by voting for a genocide enabler. It ain't that difficult, bud. And yes, my vote is irrelevant.

Perhaps if I was in a swing state I'd feel differently.

 

I don't think she has any control over any of that as VP.

She's not going to offer any difference other than just being not Trump. Otherwise she risks pissing off lobbyists and losing funding or pushing leaning or undecided voters more toward Trump.

And I don't think there's any motivation to fix healthcare.

As long as there is a candidate like Trump there will not be a change candidate. We're just fighting to keep our heads above water.

 

That dude needs another Pall Mall. And Lyle Lovett needs his hairdo back

 

I didn't say that, I said the states governments were the primary agents of determining the lockdowns of businesses and schools, because they literally were. Trump doesn't have that authority. His lies in the realm of federal edicts. Shutting down of international travel, mask wearing on airlines, which though annoying is a drop in the bucket compared to the local edicts.

I don't like how he handled it, for very different reasons than you. But the democrats still seem to be very much in favor of those measures I hate where as he is less so. He doesn't support vaccine mandates, and he's lambasted by the left for ideas that actually turned out to be correct. He allowed the wrong people to run things.

Side note, we had more excess death under Biden than Trump, and Biden had the magical vaccine. So you're playing a really silly game.

You guys talk about how "Biden" brought jobs back, which was the result of the covid restrictions ending, the very restrictions they supported more ardently, and continue to support. The same way you flung open the border through terrible executive orders, then suddenly pretend, right before the election that you're concerned about it.

I don't understand how you all don't see through such BS.

 

Again with the equivocation. I'll try to explain a couple of the simpler points for you.

Biden brought jobs back because Trump lost them. Trump. Not just COVID restrictions, but Trump's handling of COVID.

I'm not sure how to make you get this, but our country lost more per capita during COVID than our allies, our peers, you know, mostly the Western European countries that operate like we do. Why did that happen? If you blame it on states doing different things, well, that's on Trump because he, you and the GOP continually use the excuse that should have died with the end of the Civil War that states' rights take precedent over federal laws.

So, that's on Trump.

It also means Trump couldn't unify the country to combat the pandemic, which is largely because he sent so many mixed messages. For heaven's sake, the guy fought his own immunology expert, essentially tried to sell quack cures, downplayed masking and mitigation efforts, focused on the virus coming from China instead of what we needed to do to save lives ... everything he did was divisive, because that's what he always does.

And that's what a president absolutely can't do in a crisis.

That's why he'd be an abject failure even if he wasn't such a joke in general and a danger in that he convinces rubes like you to try to overthrow the government because his feelings got hurt by the results of a free and fair election.

Now, back to your inane point about Biden bringing jobs back that Trump lost as some kind of win for Trump.

YOU'RE WRONG.

Maybe actually look up the statistics before you post.

We lost 2.7 million jobs under Trump because of his pathetic handling of COVID. Trump inherited an economy that had added more than 10 million jobs under Obama.

More than 16 million jobs have been added during the Biden administration.

This is simple math, if you can understand it. Sixteen million is more than 13 million more than what Trump lost.

In other words, Biden not only recovered the jobs Trump lost, an additional FOUR TIMES what Trump lost were created.

If you look at the stats even pre-pandemic, Trump only was at the helm for about half as many created jobs as were created under Biden.

And, again, comparison -- under Trump, we struggled worse than the rest of the world, under Biden, we are doing better than the rest of the world. Inflation is happening everywhere as a result of the recovery, and it hits us in the checkout aisle, but inflation hasn't been as bad here as it is in all the countries that compare to us.

Why do you think that is? Is it having a more competent person, or just a more stable person at the helm than we had four years ago. Almost certainly.

The market seems to think so, too.

Anyway, again, it's such a strange flex to admit your guy wasn't up to the task and then make all these excuses and saying we should let him fail again. You ADMIT he failed, but you keep excusing it. He failed. He had one job to do and he didn't do it. And you think that's OK. I think that's hilarious.