Re: Redskins WRs among the NFL's elite <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Redskins | Team deep at wide receiverSun, 2 Jul 2006 17:52:24 -0700Grant Paulsen, of the Free Lance-Star, reports now have a receiving team that is considered one of the NFL's elite. The only foreseeable problems might be keeping everybody happy and spreading the ball around. WR Santana Moss remains the go-to option. Starting opposite Moss as the team's second receiver likely will be Brandon Lloyd, acquired in a March trade with the San Francisco 49ers. Lloyd likely will run shorter patterns across the middle of the field, operating as the team's possession receiver. Lloyd's lining up across from a player who attracts as much attention as Moss should only help his development. As good as the starting duo is, it's Washington's reserves that make their receiving group one of the best. WRs David Patten and Antwaan Randle El give the team a solid combination of reserve wide receivers. With receivers as dangerous and proven as Washington's top four, there's little doubt the team's pass-catching ability will be on the rise in 2006.</div>http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nflFinally getting some recognition for this from an outside source. Everyone else is a nay sayer. If you still are... just wait 'til the season starts. Saunders has us headed in the right direction. We're going to have a scary offense.
Re: Redskins WRs among the NFL's elite <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Redskins | Lloyd as smooth as silkWed, 5 Jul 2006 18:05:04 -0700Gary Fitzgerald, of Redskins.com, reports Washington Redskins WR Brandon Lloyd has been called "smooth as silk" by associate head coach-offense Al Saunders. Saunders's description of Lloyd's skills is also an appropriate description of Lloyd himself. On the field, Lloyd is so fluid in running routes and catching passes that he sometimes makes it all look easy. Off the field, he is upbeat and seemingly always ready to offer up a smile. Lloyd seems to be adapting to his new surroundings with the Redskins. In his five months as a Redskin, Lloyd has been entrenched in learning Saunders' offense. Talking to media at the June minicamp, Lloyd took on critics who suggested that, while in San Francisco, he shined at making dramatic, acrobatic catches but struggled with making basic plays. "I don't miss anything basic," Lloyd retorted. He claimed that he had just six dropped passes last year, out of 129 balls thrown his way. Lloyd added he is confident he'll produce for the Redskins in 2006.</div>http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nflSome recent Lloyd info, all sounds good to me.
Re: Redskins WRs among the NFL's elite I don't think the receivers are bad obviously, but they are the most overrated in the league just because they just signed Randle El and Lloyd. I think Randle El is among the most overrated players in the game, but he should be pretty solid if he isn't starting. I think Lloyd is actually pretty UNDERrated and should be talked about more, and Moss is just Moss. Not as good as he was last year, but easily the top receiver on the team.
Re: Redskins WRs among the NFL's elite <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GaMeTiMe @ Jul 6 2006, 10:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Not as good as he was last year, but easily the top receiver on the team.</div>How do you know he won't be as good as he was last year? If anything he should be better with more support from better recievers... it's not like he faced a tragic injury or anything that would be a setback for him. He was the #2 in the league with yards last year...
Re: Redskins WRs among the NFL's elite <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JHair @ Jul 6 2006, 06:28 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GaMeTiMe @ Jul 6 2006, 10:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Not as good as he was last year, but easily the top receiver on the team.</div>How do you know he won't be as good as he was last year? If anything he should be better with more support from better recievers... it's not like he faced a tragic injury or anything that would be a setback for him. He was the #2 in the league with yards last year...</div>He wont be as good because he wont be thrown the ball as much with other targets probly.Plus all it takes is one nagging hamstring and his season is over on Moss.
Re: Redskins WRs among the NFL's elite The other targets will help open him up more. Last year he had a ton of double coverage and pressure throughout every game to make the big play because nobody else stepped up. His performances were incredible.Are you really saying Al Saunders will not find a way to get the ball in his hands this year? He's going to be open a lot more with more talent around him, its just a fact. What were the odds of him having such a great season last year? Pretty low, but he still did it.With more support theres no reason why he shouldn't have a better season.
Re: Redskins WRs among the NFL's elite It doesnt matter if the other targets open him up or not, they're still going to cut into his numbers. Sure he'll make catches more easily because he'll likely be in single coverage most of the time, but when you have all the weapons they do obviously he's not going to IMPROVE upon his numbers, the ball is going to be spread around moreso than it was last year.
Re: Redskins WRs among the NFL's elite All we need Moss for is to catch for yardage and TD's like he did last year. And whether or not he gets as many catches, he should have a great amount of yards because of coverage situations.
Re: Redskins WRs among the NFL's elite Last year, after Week 9 when Patten and Thrash went out, Moss dissapeared pretty much. Cooley and PORTIS really stepped up, but that won't help a WR that much. Moss should have a lot better year than he did last year.Gametime, how can you say Randle El is the most overrated player when he was the most underrated when he was still in Pitts.
Re: Redskins WRs among the NFL's elite <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Sheriff Gonna Getcha @ Jul 7 2006, 05:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Gametime, how can you say Randle El is the most overrated player when he was the most underrated when he was still in Pitts. </div>Who said he was the most underrated player on Pittsburgh. He was pretty damn overrated then too and now that he went to the Redskins you juys are just rediculous.
Re: Redskins WRs among the NFL's elite But he wasn't "overrated" when he was in Pittsburgh. Same with Archuleta... people were praising him for the 116 tackles year. And Lloyd too... he suppsovely had the best hands in football until HE came here...
Re: Redskins WRs among the NFL's elite Do you understand the definition of under and overrated? You're telling us that Randle El, Archuleta and Lloyd were all getting praise UNTIL they got to Washington, which would mean they are underrated as Redskins. I am saying they are being OVERrated while in Washington because people are giving them more praise than they deserve.
Re: Redskins WRs among the NFL's elite <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GaMeTiMe @ Jul 7 2006, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Do you understand the definition of under and overrated? You're telling us that Randle El, Archuleta and Lloyd were all getting praise UNTIL they got to Washington, which would mean they are underrated as Redskins. I am saying they are being OVERrated while in Washington because people are giving them more praise than they deserve.</div>No, idiot, you can't translate simple English can you?He said, when Randle El was in Pittsburgh, he wasn't seen as a great player, just a good SP man and decent WR, but now being on the Redskins, he is being taken much more of a threat than he was before. Lloyd was being said to be top 10 in hands when he was a 49er, but now because he is a Redskin everyone sticks their head up their ass, including you, and thinks that just because he's on a better team, that he will suck. Now, he is basically underrated because of it.Adam Archuleta was being placed in top 5 to top 10 safeties in the league when he was on the Rams, but as for the same with Lloyd, being shut down and underrated because he comes to a new team. He signs the most expensive contract that and safety has in the NFL and everyone shits themselves because of it, so now he sucks. That's what I get out of it.So basically, he just meant they changed when they came to the Redskins because people can't see when their blindfolded by their own shit.
Re: Redskins WRs among the NFL's elite <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ Jul 7 2006, 11:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GaMeTiMe @ Jul 7 2006, 01:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Do you understand the definition of under and overrated? You're telling us that Randle El, Archuleta and Lloyd were all getting praise UNTIL they got to Washington, which would mean they are underrated as Redskins. I am saying they are being OVERrated while in Washington because people are giving them more praise than they deserve.</div>He said, when Randle El was in Pittsburgh, he wasn't seen as a great player, just a good SP man and decent WR, but now being on the Redskins, he is being taken much more of a threat than he was before. Lloyd was being said to be top 10 in hands when he was a 49er, but now because he is a Redskin everyone sticks their head up their ass, including you, and thinks that just because he's on a better team, that he will suck. Now, he is basically underrated because of it.Adam Archuleta was being placed in top 5 to top 10 safeties in the league when he was on the Rams, but as for the same with Lloyd, being shut down and underrated because he comes to a new team. He signs the most expensive contract that and safety has in the NFL and everyone shits themselves because of it, so now he sucks. That's what I get out of it.So basically, he just meant they changed when they came to the Redskins because people can't see when their blindfolded by their own shit.</div>Now your just making up things....Find me one poster who said that Brandon Lloyd had top 10 hands in SF and one poster who said that Archuleta was a top 10 saftey. lol And Antwaan Randel El was equally overrated in Pittsburgh as he is now in Washington.I think Lloyd can be a solid #2 reciever for you guys and Randel El a solid #3, but lets not go around talking about best WR core in the NFL when they've yet to do shit togeather. And weather you like it or not, Archuleta was never a top 10 saftey. Just a guy who is nationally famous for his workout regime and a decent saftey and he is grossly overpaid, but still a good starting saftey.
Re: Redskins WRs among the NFL's elite Brandon Lloyd is OVERrated! And this is what reports and Mike Nolan had to say about Lloyd,"Lloyd didn't endear himself to his 49ers teammates or coaches. In the end, that's why the acrobatic wide receiver was traded to the Washington Redskins for third- and fourth-round picks. Nolan at times has conceded that Lloyd made his eye-catching one-handed grabs harder than they should be by not going for the ball with both hands. And Nolan was none too pleased why Lloyd blamed the timing of a quarterback's release for a dropped goal-line pass in a loss at Chicago last season. Some of Lloyd's teammates didn't like that either and they were already questioning the amount of time he was spending as an aspiring rap artist. It has become clear that Nolan wants to imprint the 49ers with his kind of team-oriented players."Adam Archuleta is OVERrated! And here's what CBSsportsline had to say, "Overrated: Adam Archuleta, safetyHe played with a sore back last season, and it showed. But even healthy he isn't the player he's made out to be. He can hit like a linebacker, but he covers like one, too. At safety, that's not good"Randle El well I can't say he's overrated as much as I can say at best he's the #3 receiver. A very rich #3 receiver, which has something to do with people saying he's overrated. And if I'm not mistaken, he'll get paid something like 11.5 mil for this year! That's a lot for a receiver that's not you're go to guy.But this year will be a big test for a group of receivers who are very small in size. I don't see a anyone on there that will get you those tough yards when you need them. Like the quick slant across the middle. With no one over 6 ft that could be a problem...
Re: Redskins WRs among the NFL's elite You should see how happy Lloyd is with Campbell and Brunell... you should see...Umm... when he wasn't injured hed had like 120 tackles and like 5 sacks.He will play like a LB for us... that's what we brough him in for. We will use him stuff the middle of the field and stop the run.We didn't bring Randle El in to catch the ball. Gibbs likes pass plays a lot and so does Saunders. With Portis passing the ball effectively, the sigining of Randle El was huge. And he is the best punt retruner. Also, one of the fastest receivers, great for screens, which Saunders loves.Thrash 6ftLloyd 6ft... can jump like FitzgeraldJacobs 6ftCooley 6ftFauria 6ftSellers 6ftAnd Moss has insane hops.
Re: Redskins WRs among the NFL's elite <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CipherCowboy @ Jul 7 2006, 05:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>But this year will be a big test for a group of receivers who are very small in size. I don't see a anyone on there that will get you those tough yards when you need them. Like the quick slant across the middle. With no one over 6 ft that could be a problem...</div>He does have a point there, I didnt notice that they were all deep threats who never really went over the middle much until he said that. That could be a problem as you dont have any WR's with good size who can constantly take a beating over the middle. A very finesse group of recievers.You want your TE's about 6'5 or taller, and Cooley is 6'3, Fauria is 6'4, ect.You want your WR's about 6'2 or taller, and Moss is 5'10, Randel El is 5'10, Lloyd is 6'0, Patten is 5'10, Jacobs is 6'0. That is an EXTREMELY undersized recieveing core and going up against any team with Physical DB's will cause you trouble. How tall they can jump is nice, but it doesnt help them get off of bump and run coverage any quicker like a couple extra inches and pounds would help them.
Re: Redskins WRs among the NFL's elite Yeah but then when you look at the TALLER or HEAVIER WRs, they just aren't burners like these guys. It's hard to find someone with both the speed and the perfect physique (T.O.).I think I speek for everyone when I say I'd rather have a burner at WR.
