Politics Official 2024 Presidential Election Thread

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Who will "Win?"

  1. Harris

    78.6%
  2. Trump

    21.4%
  1. PCmor7

    PCmor7 Generational Poster

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    The problem I see here is this is one of those laws like the Logan Act that's been on the books for years but no one will enforce because MAGA will cry lawfare and the optics will look bad.

    It's a law. There's a reason it's a law. There's a good reason it's a law, especially now when the wealthy from around the world have realized Americans are so afraid of being called communists or socialists that no regulations are kept as a check and balance on capitalism or corporate greed, which makes everything a commodity that can be bought, including legislators and judges. But this is a law that no one has the stomach to enforce and I fully expect to see a billionaire literally buying votes in the next election cycle with no consequences.
     
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    When we set up voter registration, I baked brownies, idea being, register, get a brownie. I know you can't give anything of value but registrars have given tokens. I was told better save brownies for our campaign volunteers just to avoid any potential problems. Like some MAGA asshole saying we are bribing voters.
     
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    We found a toad on our outdoor furniture today while cleaning it out. Next to it we found feces that looked to be from a rat or some rodent. So we were perplexed.

    I googled what toad shit looks like and it’s impressive how big a small toad can excrement. Toad turds are massive.

    Someone give me microphone and rally. I got this.
     
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    Elon Musk Veers Into Clearly Illegal Vote Buying, Offering $1 Million Per Day Lottery Prize Only to Registered Voters

    Hugo Lowell: “Elon Musk says on stage at a town hall that America PAC will be awarding $1 million every day until the election to a registered Pennsylvania voter who has signed his petition. Musk awarded the first $1 million this evening to someone at the town hall, bringing the guy onto the stage and handing him a jumbo check, lotto-style. Musk is essentially incentivizing likely Trump voters in PA to register to vote: Petition is to support for 1A and 2A, so basically R voters. But they also have to be registered to vote, so if they weren’t already, they would do it now.”

    Though maybe some of the other things Musk was doing were of murky legality, this one is clearly illegal. See 52 U.S.C. 10307(c): “Whoever knowingly or willfully gives false information as to his name, address or period of residence in the voting district for the purpose of establishing his eligibility to register or vote, or conspires with another individual for the purpose of encouraging his false registration to vote or illegal voting, or pays or offers to pay or accepts payment either for registration to vote or for voting shall be fined not more than $10,000 or imprisoned not more than five years, or both…” (Emphasis added.)

    See also the DOJ Election Crimes Manual at 44: “The bribe may be anything having monetary value, including cash, liquor, lottery chances, and welfare benefits such as food stamps. Garcia, 719 F.2d at 102. However, offering free rides to the polls or providing employees paid leave while they vote are not prohibited. United States v. Lewin, 467 F.2d 1132, 1136 (7th Cir.
    1972). Such things are given to make it easier for people to vote, not to induce them to do so. This distinction is important. For an offer or a payment to violate Section 10307(c), it must have been intended to induce or reward the voter for engaging in one or more acts necessary to cast a ballot.… Moreover, payments made for some purpose other than to induce
    or reward voting activity, such as remuneration for campaign work, do not violate this statute. See United States v. Canales 744 F.2d 413, 423 (5th Cir. 1984) (upholding conviction because jury justified in inferring that payments were for voting, not campaign work). Similarly, Section 10307(c) does not apply to payments made to signature-gatherers for voter registrations such individuals may obtain. However, such payments become actionable under Section 10307(c) if they are shared with the person being registered.” (Emphases added.)

    I’d like to hear if there’s anyone who thinks this is not a clear case of a violation.

    UPDATE: Musk said at his rally that one had to be a petition signer to be eligible for the $1 million prize. (“So– we really want to try to get as many people as possible to sign this petition. So. I have a surprise for you [crowd cheers] which is that we’re going to be awarding a million dollars, randomly, to people who have signed the signed the petition every day from now until the election.”) I’ve also learned that to get the $100 bounty one also must be a petition signer. And who can sign the petitions? Only registered voters in swing states, which is what makes it illegal. See the screen shots of the offers below:

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    Because Trump has nothing to run on. Vote Trump to put billionaire in charge isn't winning message.
     
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    This is the answer. And musk is only the most vocal billionaire. This is how most of them feel. Most of them support this kind of messaging.

    The wealthy want Trump because they want policy that allows them to take more from the middle class and poor.

    But that's just human nature.

    We need to fix the system or it won't change. It'll just keep getting worse.
     
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    I don't believe it is human nature.

    I believe it's the nature of some humans. I believe some humans practice it because they fear others will take advantage if they don't.

    I can't remember a single second in my life ever being jealous or upset or angry that someone else had more than me so long as I had enough to be clothed and housed and eat and do what I could to take care of those I was responsible for. I think I personally know a lot more people who think like me than think like Elon Musk.
     
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    Yeah I guess that's my point. There are people like this. If we have laws that allow it there will be people who take advantage.
     
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    Such an extreme stretch to try and claim he is ‘paying people to vote for Trump’. You literally have to make three unprovable assertions before you can even arrive at that conclusion.

    There is absolutely nothing here. Less than nothing. And like most of these schizophrenic legal theories crazy liberals scream at the walls and the trees about, nothing will come of it
     
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    He is paying people to register to vote. He supports Trump. The people he pays will likely vote for Trump.
     
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    And none of that means anything.
     
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    Yes, it does. It's illegal.
     
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    And they’re the ones crying about a “free and fair election”
     
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    Facing Numerous Federal Probes, Elon Musk Spends Millions to Help Elect Trump & Gut Gov't Regulation

     
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    If it was the other way around they would be complaining up a shit storm about it.
     
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