Politics Official 2024 Presidential Election Thread

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Who will "Win?"

  1. Harris

    78.6%
  2. Trump

    21.4%
  1. PCmor7

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    I don't think that's the case.

    I think that WAS the case, and they milked it. Now they've started to realize he might try to shut at least some of them down.

    That's why CNN's regained its conscience while the LA Times and Washington Post are are killing editorial decisions to endorse Harris now, which, BTW, should have been done weeks ago.
     
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    I went to her website to look for her policies on securing the border. The only mention is to sign the "bipartisan" bill into law which continues to allow miliions of unvetted immigrants into the US after it is put in place. Border security is my top issue and she does not address that at all.
     
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    What policies do you want to see? What policies do you want to see that were not in the bipartisan border bill?
     
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    Soooo, she addressed it but not to your liking? You may not realize it but you contradicted yourself.
     
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    You know, Sly. THOSE policies. The ones ... umm ... the ones they want to say they need and are there but can't find so they can justify voting for a guy who failed in his prior term because he had no policies.
     
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    It's always a dead giveaway when someone brags about getting 180K Amish voters registered in a state with less than 100K Amish.
     
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    Free and Fair election.

    Trump’s favorite quote. Yet, nearly every time there’s voter fraud found it’s done by Republicans.
     
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    He wants a wall!

    like a huge ginger bread house wall. Ginger, candy canes and frosting is like kryptonite to illegal aliens.
     
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    I'm trying to have a constructive conversation. The border is a problem. That said, of all of the policies that both candidates are proposing this is the only one that has a bill negotiated and drafted by both sides. Once the election is over this seems like a pretty easy thing to get done. This isn't a Democrat or Republican bill, it's bipartisan. Personally I would have a huge problem if Harris wanted to scrap it and do something different.
     
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    One that does not higher more agents to process the immigrants faster thru the border.
    That bill set a limit for immigrants pre day that can cross. It was still in the millions annually as a number to allow to cross, this to me is unacceptable.
    I also dont believe someone should be allowed into the country and then have a court date 2 years later to discuss their entry.
    Also need better Vetting system since it is proven that some not so nice people are coming into the country.
     
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    I admire your effort, but one must also consider those with whom they're trying to have a constructive conversation. A constructive conversation by definition requires multiple parties that want to discuss an issue in good faith.

    The rest of your post is on point.
     
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    The bill should’ve been passed long ago. The bill was drafted by some super conservative folks.

    Trump talks about how immigrants crossing the border are turning the country into a ‘garbage can’, yet tells his minions to veto it. Speaking volumes about how Trump doesn’t want to make America great again. He wants to be in power and that’s it.

    Maybe the most mind boggling part is how these spineless, cuckold puppets within the party are still supporting a guy that they know is a fucktard. And there’s plenty of them.

    Here’s the facts about the bill:

    https://www.factcheck.org/2024/02/unraveling-misinformation-about-bipartisan-immigration-bill/
     
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    With due respect to Sly wanting there to be a constructive conversation with you, do you understand how absolutely xenophobic and ill-informed your post comes off?

    I mean, you contradict yourself. You don't want to hire more agents but want a better vetting system, when more agents and immigration judges (which Trump, BTW, refused to assign) are exactly a step in a better vetting process.

    We also could get into the whole thing about how a lot of these immigrants come here because we've destabilized their central American governments but don't want to be accountable for that, or that a lot of migrants come into the country legally and then just don't leave, or that the border's aren't open as MAGA disingenuously portrays, or several other things, but I'll just stick to the simple exposition of the flaws of your post for now.
     
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    Those are some good points.

    I do think more agents are better. Securing and processing. Processing all border traffic faster does benefit both countries. Trump did renegotiate NAFTA, last year we imported more from Mexico than China. This needs to continue. It's in the best financial and security interests of both countries. Delays moving goods across the border hurts this. You want to decrease illegal immigration, promote economic growth inside Mexico. Also more agents on the border processing traffic is how you reduce the flow of illegal things like drugs and human trafficking.
     
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    i want a bill that highs agents that help slow the flow of crossings, not more agents to welcome them with open arms.
     
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    SlyPokerDog for President 2032.
     
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    It’s not our job to convince you how to vote.

    And for that reason, I’M OUT
     
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    Why does everyone want to run for president when they are 80?
     
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    Agents aren't welcoming them. Agents and judges decide what to do with them.

    Between 20K and 60K migrants are turned back at the border every month. Also, attempted entry through our southern border sharply declined at the beginning for 2024.
     

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