Re: ESPN SportsCenter's Ultimate NFL Depth Chart <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Punisher @ Jul 12 2006, 10:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JHair @ Jul 12 2006, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CipherCowboy @ Jul 12 2006, 09:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Now, Pinkston didn't play last year and if you took his average of those two years his numbers would be1877Total - 2777. Had Pinkston played 3403So in essence, if Gaffney and Pinkston is average than we can make the case that Randle El and Lloyd are just as average or below average slightly.</div>You can't just give a WR numbers that he didn't EARN just by looking at his past numbers. He got injured and didn't play, therefor you have no idea HOW he would have produced had he played this season. You can't just assume everything would go down similar to how it did in the past.</div>Yeah, why not talk about the past 2 years where the two Redskins had 2457 and Eagles had 2375. I don't think you want to talk about Pinktson and Gaffney's rookie years. Oh and why would you take out Moss? That's like saying if you take out CJ from the Bengals then the Giants have better receivers... well no shit! lol</div> Man Punisher, I was just making the case that besides Moss your other receivers are just as average as the Eagles because JHair say the Eagles receivers are average. Come on big dawg, I gave the Redskins their props!
Re: ESPN SportsCenter's Ultimate NFL Depth Chart <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JHair @ Jul 12 2006, 10:06 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (CipherCowboy @ Jul 12 2006, 09:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Now, Pinkston didn't play last year and if you took his average of those two years his numbers would be1877Total - 2777. Had Pinkston played 3403So in essence, if Gaffney and Pinkston is average than we can make the case that Randle El and Lloyd are just as average or below average slightly.</div>You can't just give a WR numbers that he didn't EARN just by looking at his past numbers. He got injured and didn't play, therefor you have no idea HOW he would have produced had he played this season. You can't just assume everything would go down similar to how it did in the past.</div>Your absolutely right but what I see from the numbers, Lloyd and Randle El are just as average as Pinkston and Gaffney
Re: ESPN SportsCenter's Ultimate NFL Depth Chart You also have to take into account that Pinkston put up average stats with a top QB when he was healthy, Lloyd put up average stats being the main target through the air in San Fran when they were switching back and forth with mediocre/rookie QBs. Imagine what Lloyd can do now that he's on a team with other skilled recievers, one of the best offensive coordinators in football (and Head Coaches), a solid O line and a veteran QB coming off one of his best years in his career...
Re: ESPN SportsCenter's Ultimate NFL Depth Chart <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JHair @ Jul 12 2006, 12:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You also have to take into account that Pinkston put up average stats with a top QB when he was healthy, Lloyd put up average stats being the main target through the air in San Fran when they were switching back and forth with mediocre/rookie QBs. Imagine what Lloyd can do now that he's on a team with other skilled recievers, one of the best offensive coordinators in football (and Head Coaches), a solid O line and a veteran QB coming off one of his best years in his career...</div>Being a Main target is better than being the secondary WR especially in a system that spreads the ball around. Even with San Fran he dropped a lot of balls. He's the 3rd WR. Its going to be hard to give him the ball alot. Especially with 2 of the best playmakers in the NFL starting. PLus one of the premier rb's in the game. Lloyd isnt going to have a huge breakout year and be a pro-bowler.
Re: ESPN SportsCenter's Ultimate NFL Depth Chart <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GotSkillz52 @ Jul 12 2006, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JHair @ Jul 12 2006, 12:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You also have to take into account that Pinkston put up average stats with a top QB when he was healthy, Lloyd put up average stats being the main target through the air in San Fran when they were switching back and forth with mediocre/rookie QBs. Imagine what Lloyd can do now that he's on a team with other skilled recievers, one of the best offensive coordinators in football (and Head Coaches), a solid O line and a veteran QB coming off one of his best years in his career...</div>Being a Main target is better than being the secondary WR especially in a system that spreads the ball around. Even with San Fran he dropped a lot of balls. He's the 3rd WR. Its going to be hard to give him the ball alot. Especially with 2 of the best playmakers in the NFL starting. PLus one of the premier rb's in the game. Lloyd isnt going to have a huge breakout year and be a pro-bowler.</div>By main target I meant all the pressure was on his shoulders, and obviously that system he was in blew ass or else they would have won a few more games.And he's the 2nd WR not the 3rd... He's going to get the ball PLENTY, and he will have a lot less pressure and probably less coverage considering Santana had the 2nd most yards last year...
Re: ESPN SportsCenter's Ultimate NFL Depth Chart He was the main target which means numero Uno WR. That also means best wr which means pressure. He should be 3rd. But I understand Randle El in the slot. We'll see if he adjusts to the new playbook and new QB. Time will Tell.
Re: ESPN SportsCenter's Ultimate NFL Depth Chart do i need my eyes checked........or are the colts ratted below the ravens?
Re: ESPN SportsCenter's Ultimate NFL Depth Chart <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GotSkillz52 @ Jul 12 2006, 01:17 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JHair @ Jul 12 2006, 12:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>You also have to take into account that Pinkston put up average stats with a top QB when he was healthy, Lloyd put up average stats being the main target through the air in San Fran when they were switching back and forth with mediocre/rookie QBs. Imagine what Lloyd can do now that he's on a team with other skilled recievers, one of the best offensive coordinators in football (and Head Coaches), a solid O line and a veteran QB coming off one of his best years in his career...</div>Being a Main target is better than being the secondary WR especially in a system that spreads the ball around. Even with San Fran he dropped a lot of balls. He's the 3rd WR. Its going to be hard to give him the ball alot. Especially with 2 of the best playmakers in the NFL starting. PLus one of the premier rb's in the game. Lloyd isnt going to have a huge breakout year and be a pro-bowler.</div>Last year, the QB's threw the ball to Lloyd's direction like 140 times I think. Only about 54 were accurate, and he only dropped 6 passes the whole season.We don't expect him to have a breakout year... and he won't... maybe like 70 catches. But that doesn't make him worse than the Eagles dudes..
Re: ESPN SportsCenter's Ultimate NFL Depth Chart FYI: Brandon LloydTarget - 109Passes Not Caught - 61Receptions - 48PS: Expecting 70 receptions from Brandon Lloyd would be expecting a breakout year. Thats expecting 6 less receptions then Plaxico Burress, 3 less then Laveranues Coles, the same number of receptions as Jimmy Smith and more then Hines Ward and Terry Glenn.And bobferg, the overall was done by averageing the numbers I believe and the 26 in Rush Offense weighed them down. If you look at the playoffs they gave the Colts a much higher playoff seed then the Ravens.
Re: ESPN SportsCenter's Ultimate NFL Depth Chart <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Jul 12 2006, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>FYI: Brandon LloydTarget - 109Passes Not Caught - 61Receptions - 48PS: Expecting 70 receptions from Brandon Lloyd would be expecting a breakout year. Thats expecting 6 less receptions then Plaxico Burress, 3 less then Laveranues Coles, the same number of receptions as Jimmy Smith and more then Hines Ward and Terry Glenn.</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Talking to media at the June minicamp, Lloyd took on critics who suggested that, while in San Francisco, he shined at making dramatic, acrobatic catches but struggled with making basic plays. "I don't miss anything basic," Lloyd retorted. He claimed that he had just six dropped passes last year, out of 129 balls thrown his way. Lloyd added he is confident he'll produce for the Redskins in 2006.</div>http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl
Re: ESPN SportsCenter's Ultimate NFL Depth Chart <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JHair @ Jul 12 2006, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Jul 12 2006, 02:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>FYI: Brandon LloydTarget - 109Passes Not Caught - 61Receptions - 48PS: Expecting 70 receptions from Brandon Lloyd would be expecting a breakout year. Thats expecting 6 less receptions then Plaxico Burress, 3 less then Laveranues Coles, the same number of receptions as Jimmy Smith and more then Hines Ward and Terry Glenn.</div><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Talking to media at the June minicamp, Lloyd took on critics who suggested that, while in San Francisco, he shined at making dramatic, acrobatic catches but struggled with making basic plays. "I don't miss anything basic," Lloyd retorted. He claimed that he had just six dropped passes last year, out of 129 balls thrown his way. Lloyd added he is confident he'll produce for the Redskins in 2006.</div>http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl</div>http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats.htmlThat says otherwise, even so you should be jumping to make my stats since under mine he caught 48 of 109 and under yours he caught 48 of 129. lol
Re: ESPN SportsCenter's Ultimate NFL Depth Chart [quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='58156' date='Jul 12 2006, 02:21 PM'][quote name='JHair' post='58153' date='Jul 12 2006, 10:18 AM'][quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='58152' date='Jul 12 2006, 02:13 PM']FYI: Brandon LloydTarget - 109Passes Not Caught - 61Receptions - 48PS: Expecting 70 receptions from Brandon Lloyd would be expecting a breakout year. Thats expecting 6 less receptions then Plaxico Burress, 3 less then Laveranues Coles, the same number of receptions as Jimmy Smith and more then Hines Ward and Terry Glenn.[/quote] http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl[/quote]http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats.htmlThat says otherwise, even so you should be jumping to make my stats since under mine he caught 48 of 109 and under yours he caught 48 of 129. lol[/quote]Here's how I'm gonna look at it: He caught 48, dropped 6, and the other 55 attempts were over/underthrown
Re: ESPN SportsCenter's Ultimate NFL Depth Chart [quote name='JHair' post='58163' date='Jul 12 2006, 10:46 AM'][quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='58156' date='Jul 12 2006, 02:21 PM'][quote name='JHair' post='58153' date='Jul 12 2006, 10:18 AM'][quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='58152' date='Jul 12 2006, 02:13 PM']FYI: Brandon LloydTarget - 109Passes Not Caught - 61Receptions - 48PS: Expecting 70 receptions from Brandon Lloyd would be expecting a breakout year. Thats expecting 6 less receptions then Plaxico Burress, 3 less then Laveranues Coles, the same number of receptions as Jimmy Smith and more then Hines Ward and Terry Glenn.[/quote] http://www.kffl.com/hotw/nfl[/quote]http://sports.iwon.com/nfl/stats.htmlThat says otherwise, even so you should be jumping to make my stats since under mine he caught 48 of 109 and under yours he caught 48 of 129. lol[/quote]Here's how I'm gonna look at it: He caught 48, dropped 6, and the other 55 attempts were over/underthrown [/quote]Not necessairily. The plays where he shortarmed it werent drops but incomplete, The plays where he was outplayed by a corner arent drops but incomplete. Now I dont have an exact number on how many times that happened, but they didnt misthrow the ball 55 times.
Re: ESPN SportsCenter's Ultimate NFL Depth Chart I wouldn't be suprised if it was a number close to 55, I mean we are talking about the 49ers here and Alex Smith didn't have the best rookie year...
Re: ESPN SportsCenter's Ultimate NFL Depth Chart How the Jets aren't top 10 in QB's is beyond me. I mean.... look at the depth!!!!
Re: ESPN SportsCenter's Ultimate NFL Depth Chart <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Jul 12 2006, 07:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How the Jets aren't top 10 in QB's is beyond me. I mean.... look at the depth!!!!</div>homer? they have no starter. penny sucks. ramsey is no better. i love brooks.......but he is no good either. clemons is your only hope, and he is a rook.
Re: ESPN SportsCenter's Ultimate NFL Depth Chart <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bobferg @ Jul 13 2006, 05:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Jul 12 2006, 07:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How the Jets aren't top 10 in QB's is beyond me. I mean.... look at the depth!!!!</div>homer? they have no starter. penny sucks. ramsey is no better. i love brooks.......but he is no good either. clemons is your only hope, and he is a rook.</div>Hahah I thought he was being sarcastic when he posted that, but maybe not
Re: ESPN SportsCenter's Ultimate NFL Depth Chart <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JHair @ Jul 12 2006, 04:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I wouldn't be suprised if it was a number close to 55, I mean we are talking about the 49ers here and Alex Smith didn't have the best rookie year...</div>Not only that but if you look at a youtube video of his catches, it will be a different QB throwing it to him everytime lol
Re: ESPN SportsCenter's Ultimate NFL Depth Chart <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (bobferg @ Jul 13 2006, 01:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Jul 12 2006, 07:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>How the Jets aren't top 10 in QB's is beyond me. I mean.... look at the depth!!!!</div>homer? they have no starter. penny sucks. ramsey is no better. i love brooks.......but he is no good either. clemons is your only hope, and he is a rook.</div>Yeah, I think he was being sarcastic. Although our QB situation is better then either the Lions or Bears IMO.
