Politics Official 2024 Presidential Election Thread

Well said Chris. The message needs to be common since approach for all people.

 

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We gotta get back to helpful, chicken in every pot populism. And when republicans call it communism laugh in their face and call it friendship and community.

 

Also, it occurs to me that you can pitch community to rural folks: everyone in rural areas has a whole network of "guys": they got their firewood guy, they got the guy who will work on their car, the guy who knows septic systems, the guy who has venison every winter, etc... it's all in trade too: two rifles for a winter's worth of venison, a chainsaw for the firewood guy, etc. My grandpa was the "junk guy" who often acted as a third party to guys who didn't have what the other guy needed. You could position a friendly, helpful government as a junk guy to help make the community work better, as long as it's giving them things they need.

Democrats need to stop offering the gifts of the city, and figure out how to offer gifts of the people. Good luck with that, but jesus if I can think of this, it's not that hard to figure out, y'know?

 

It's been happening for decades.

 

Who the hell is saying they're going to kill Trump supporters? Lol

 

I think many on both sides would agree. But there also needs to be some tough love. When we are struggling to take care of our own, how can we care for everyone else? Two million extra people a year during the Biden administration was bad optics when the homelessness problem was already a huge issue.

Granted Trump was an asshole when describing those people as the vast majority were not criminals. Nonetheless, they should not have been encouraged to come, and at first, they were. Most of these people do not require asylum ....they just wanted the hell out of their countries. So how do we turn that around? How do we help those countries build a thriving economy so none wants to leave? (without assassinating their corrupt dictators) Mexico has the 12th-best economy in the world. How did they do it?

 

Props to the nine of you who said trump would win!
I didnt see it coming at all.

 

The left should just "buy" Trump.

He's not an ideologue. He's in this for the grift, not the message or policies.

Just pay the guy off to put in liberal judges and not go along with the right-wing agenda. Other than that, leave him alone. SCOTUS has made gifts for political moves legal.

Let the guy get rich off the office while you regroup

That's better than the Dems moving right, IMO. The right is just pulling the center further to the right and saying, "Look! They're leftists!" because the 50-yard line looks really far away from the 10 instead of the 35 while it hasn't moved an inch. You don't want to be competing for the least-Trumpiest Trumpers and letting progressives out in the cursed earth -- progressives who'll be really loyal if you give them something but won't vote if you give them nothing.

And don't worry about Elon. He loves his money. He's not going to pay Trump billions of dollars for the Republican agenda. He's not in it for that, either. He's in this thing for the attention.

So break Uncle Soros' piggy bank open and that of all the other smart corporate elites in the country that realize, sure, less regulation leads to more profit, but the total anarchy that stands to come from an unrestrained Trump right-wing presidency doesn't make the the stable environment big business needs to thrive.

 

Actually...that might work. Unfortunately the govt won't try it though.

 

Who said the government has to try it? You just need party leaders and the people working in those backrooms to pitch it.

Rules don't really apply now. Rules have been struck down. Everything goes. It's like ancient Greece and Rome where you just pay -- literally -- to hold power.

 

Love Bernie.

I was just on another board arguing something along these lines about national healthcare. They took the position that they weren't opposed to a national healthcare program but were opposed to people that didn't pay into the system getting as good of care as people that could pay more.

Everyone needs healthcare, though, rich and poor. And, unless you're saying you're going to turn away people who can only get their care in the emergency room when the get really sick because they have no coverage, we all end up paying for everybody. So the best way is to band together in one big group that we can negotiate fair prices for good care for all of us like they do in a lot of other developed nations.

Plus, it's more efficient. Letting people go to a general practitioner once or twice a year allows health to be monitored so problems can be addressed before they become most costly, and that drives down costs across the board.

But my mind just gets boggled by how easily Americans get so caught up in their neighbors maybe getting something a little more or a little better, and them somehow being the ultimate arbiter of what is fair and right and what isn't. I've never once looked at my neighbors and coveted what they had or cursed them for getting a break in life. We hate and are jealous of each other in this country for such petty stuff, all mistrustful of the next person down the street, and that gets used against us.

 

If we were truly interested in "making America great again, our leaders (and every responsible parent) would push the point ad nauseum that "nobody ever said life was fair". That was one of the earliest lessons I was ever taught, and so were my contemporaries. Trump has flooded the zone for the past 8 years about how "unfair" the world was to him. Now his followers are singing the same tune. They want it all handed to them, like it was to their "great" leader. 70 million Americans made it very clear just how selfish they are. I hope I'm still alive 4 years from now, so I can watch them sift through the wreckage of their own making. Bunch a gullible lemmings.