Patience is a virtue. He has plenty of it. He got the best scenario for Dame when Miami thought they had him cornered. He didn't jump the gun and waited patiently in the draft for the desired player to come to him at 7. Holding out for the best offer on Grant. He is not great but passes for good so far.
He's been ok, but I'll like him a lot more if he finds a way to get rid if Simons/Grant/Ayton before the trade deadline.
no. The roster and assets are horrible. Worst in the league with WAS. Even DET is moving along and they never had a star to deal. The Dame trade had to be made but the results are in and it was a disaster any way you look at it (he got lucky with TC, aint no way he was thinking that he is the center piece of the deal). His trade record sucks. Norm and Roco deal? Paid dearly for Deni and hopefully that pans out. But is he a starter on a good team?? Recent draft picks are busts except DC. Rip the band aid off and realize Shae and Scoot are not starters on winning teams. Maybe the drafts in 28 and 29 will be strong like this 25 draft? But POR is going nowhere. The roster is saddled with vets that, for the most part, are bad assets. Reath is probably the only one that will be gone by the deadline. He is probably considered league wide, by other GMs and FOs, one of the worst.
Probably a good GM. Maybe only marginally better than bad. Can't look at wins and losses with the situation he came into.
The Vulcans have exactly who they want in his position. When he has said publicly that these guys, are win now players (Scoot, Murray, Rupert) I was skeptical. Id give him a c- at this point.
gauging by 'good transactions/'meh' transactions/bad transactions', the bad and meh considerably outweigh the good...so no even in the draft, which is supposed to be the Cronin/Schmitz wheelhouse, there are many more questions about the Sharpe/Scoot selections than anyone would like
The significance of the negative things he's done far outweigh the positive things he's done and that's without me weighing whether or not he should have chosen a rebuild over building around Dame. He's been a bad GM. From most recent to the beginning of his tenure his negatives are: -A serious overpay on Deni even though I like Deni. -Not getting rid of Ant by this last training camp. -Not getting rid of Jerami by this last training camp. -Not flipping Rob and Malcolm immediately. -Not getting a big enough return he got for Holiday. -Overpaying Jerami (especially for where the team was obviously headed). -Overpaying Ant. -Overpaying Nurk. -Not getting enough for Hart. -Just offloading Alexander-Walker instead of keeping him or getting value back for him. -The non return for two impact guys like RoCo and Norm. RoCo was re-signed by the Clippers using his bird rights and Norm is still out performing his contract for them. From earliest in his tenure to now, his positives are: -The return for CJ and Nance wasn't bad, it wasn't great but also not bad. -The return for Dame, Nurk and Nas was good on its face (Tou is great). A lot of what Joe did after the initial trade has been documented above in his negatives. -The trade for Banton is probably the best move he's made on its own. -I don't think any of the draft picks have been bad... regardless of where they end up, they were great to solid picks at the time. -The way he got Clingan without moving up when everyone knew Clingan was his target was impressive.
Yeah I tried to take out the "what in the actual fuck is this guy's direction for our team" and the "I absolutely hate this dumbass two timeline bullshit he's pulling" because just on his re-signings and the lack of overall return on his trades he fucking sucks as a GM.
Honestly just getting as many first round picks out of this as possible would have been better than any players. I'd rather just have the best picks possible for each of these deals. Just take bad contracts and draft picks for crying out loud. Even getting a FRP out of every two of these players (aside from Dame/Jrue) would be great.
NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO I have been preaching this since the Dame stuff but people wanted to defend this idiot but he is a clueless tool. I am sorry to put down "tools" cause they have a purpose Cronin has none but he has a very small chance to redeem himself a little by finding homes for the following players and getting back solid assets. Ayton - No GM is stupid enough to trade for this clown ... except Cronin so we are prolly stuck with this idiot UNLESS we package a pick and a solid young player with him and that might be just as dumb so rock and a hard place Ant -- He might have the most value he has had in years so find a team get a 1st and a young promising player and whatever else to make salaries work and trade him away. Grant -- Black hole for this young team so trade him to the Lakers for scraps and a 1st and run away from him. Thybulle - Get anything you can for him and be rid of him as long as you do not take back another bad contract. This team is doomed as long as Cronin and Billups and for the fact Jody owns this team so our only hope is Jody sells cause she will prolly not fire the puppet Cronin who gets his marching orders for whatever company is managing this team now or whatever it is. I hate to say this as a die hard fan but this is the truth and anyone who cannot see that is letting there fandom override there brain -- PERIOD
I think a lot of these are still in the oven. I agree with your positives so I'm just gonna address the negatives. -A serious overpay on Deni even though I like Deni. (Disagree)- I don't know about this.... I guess if you think we would have drafted Knecht. I think a lot of us were overvaluing Malcolm. I think Deni should be playing power forward. His L10 games are really good. -Not getting rid of Ant by this last training camp.(Disagree) - We don't know what his trade value was at that time. The rumors were that he didn't have much. I think it makes sense to wait till the deadline and see if the trade value improved at all. He has been playing better so I guess we will see. -Not getting rid of Jerami by this last training camp (Disagree)- same deal with Ant. I think he's probably worth one FRP but it was worth it to wait and see if a team would increase it to 2. I still think he's worth one FRP. We lost nothing by hanging onto him. -Not flipping Rob and Malcolm immediately.(Agree) - I agree with this one. -Not getting a big enough return he got for Holiday. (TBD) - How much more do you think we could have gotten for him? -Overpaying Jerami (especially for where the team was obviously headed).(Disagree) - this is TBD until we see what we end up getting for him. If we essentially get back what we traded, a FRP, I'm totally fine with his contract. We couldn't afford to lose him for nothing. -Overpaying Ant. (TBD)- I think this will be irrelevant unless we can't trade him. -Overpaying Nurk. - (Disagree) we were able to trade him and we needed that salary for matching purposes. This is fine. That offseason we had like three tradable contracts. Dame/Simons/Nurk. -Not getting enough for Hart. - What do you think a fair trade would have been? -Just offloading Alexander-Walker instead of keeping him or getting value back for him. - did he have value at that point? I think he was just a throw in. -The non return for two impact guys like RoCo and Norm. RoCo was re-signed by the Clippers using his bird rights and Norm is still out performing his contract for them. - this was his worst trade. I'm not entirely convinced it was his decision.
in the negative column, you forgot hard-capping the team for Payton and matching the way-bloated offer sheet for Thybulle I'm not sure Clingan 'sliding' to 7 is a positive for Cronin. Kind of neutral because it was the decisions of others ahead of him in the draft
So really Cronin best 3 positive moves you list are; 1 Dame haul (ignoring what he did afterwards) 2 Banton (who will be an UFA) 3 Clingan (Injured half his rookie season so far) That's pretty bad for having 4 years to improve this team. I'd say the team is somehow worse off today than the day Olshey was fired. That horrible considering we've tanked for picks the past 4 years with losses that Olshey never had over a decade.
