OT Musk/Twitter - The Great Experiment

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  1. tlongII

    tlongII Legendary Poster

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    Eh, you might be right. Probably not a good example. I think you need a background in Computer Engineering to be really effective at it though. Uncle Cliffy is right about why we don't have enough of the talent in the US.
     
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    Definitely would want a programming background... but programmers aren't really in short supply, are they?
     
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    $15 per hour ($1800 per month after taxes) isn't even enough to pay rent (okay, barely enough)... you're basically paying high school kids part time. Nobody serious is sticking anywhere for $15 per hour.
     
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    This is sort of a poor criticism. I was pointing out my situation as a real life example of how companies should behave, and why it’s completely feasible and better than the alternative of cheap labor. There is nothing contradictory about what I said. My side is firmly picked.
     
  5. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    You're preaching to the choir. But $15 an hour is far better than $0 an hour. Sorry with the "when I was a boy" crap, but I went wide eyed into a marriage proposal with no full time job and no real prospects. It "sharpened" my ambition. I didn't sit around waiting for Mom, Dad or Uncle Sam to carry my ass. I took a low paying job, and then another to supplement it. I lived in the Help Wanted ads until I found something that might have a future if I was willing to invest myself in it. Then I got an education in the profession I chose in order to improve my future. You HAVE to start somewhere. Every house is built on a foundation. The very first lesson I EVER learned was that life was not fair. Apparently too many Americans were sold the lie that life WAS fair. Or that the world owes them a living. Poor them. My point was (and still is) that a journey of a thousand miles begins with a single step. I'm tired of hearing the whines from too many people who haven't even put on their shoes, let alone stood up off the couch and tried to take that step. The people who are too good to work for $15 an hour deserve to starve......
     
  6. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    I agree completely. You are one of the lucky ones and your employer is to be emulated. Unfortunately, your company is the exception and I don't see it improving under the upcoming administration.
     
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    barfo triggered obsessive commie pinko boomer maniac Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Feasible, sure. But why is it better than the alternative of cheap labor from the company's point of view? Is it that no one willing to work for less money could possibly be as good as you at your job?

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    That's clearly false from everything I've read. The following is an excerpt from just one article that I'll give you a link to.

    The global developer shortage is not a storm in a teacup but a big deal — a real concern that never ended since 2022.

    We are on our way to losing four million developers by 2025 while software developer jobs are ready to hit 85.2 million by 2030. The irony.

    According to the IDC, the global developer recession could result in businesses losing approximately $8.5 trillion in annual revenues by 2030.

    The need to incorporate technology into daily operations requires businesses to hire top tech talent. But this imbalance between high demand and scarce supply is astonishing.


    https://qbatch.com/blog/truths-behind-software-developer-shortage/
     
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    The reasons QBatch gives in their advertisement for QBatch doesn't disagree with the contention that devs aren't willing to work for peanuts.

    One of their offered solutions is to look (through QBatch, not doubt) for less qualified people with less experience, out of coding bootcamps. This sounds a lot like "we don't want to pay college grads the money, so we need to look elsewhere."

    There is a shortage of talent at the price levels companies want to pay. Companies will complain about this long before capitulating to the labor market's need for better pay, and they'll make it sound like labor's fault the whole way. If you're super on corporate's side, you'll think this is a shortage. If you're on labor's side, you'll think this is corporations being cheapskates.

    The truth is, corporations are cheapskates. That's their whole deal. That is how profit is made. Only now, they're being faced with a very much precedented situation of workers leaving an industry because it's a meat grinder with no upside anymore. And threats about AI taking our jobs if we don't work harder only motivate people so much.

    So yes, there is a shortage of people. Willing to work. For shitty wages.
     
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    Baloney.
     
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    Good meeting.
     
  14. SlyPokerDog

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    These are HB1 job listings with rate of pay.

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    Here are a couple of old ones from Amazon. Warehouse workers? Really?!? $23,546?!?

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    Here is the HB1 database, you can find listings for cooks and housekeepers.

    Here is one for a housekeeping supervisor.

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    There is a a lot of bullshit and fraud in the HB1 program.

    Anyway, here is the HB1 database, you can search by employers here. I roughly know your job and where you work but I won't disclose that here. But you can search for your employer, this year and previous ones, and see what they pay HB1 employees compared to what you make. I'm willing to bet the HB1 make much less.

    https://h1bdata.info/
     

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    That has nothing to do with what I'm arguing. I'm referring specifically to Technology. I'm sure H1B Visa's are mis-used, but that isn't the point.
     
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    Guy talks like Warhammer 40K is real
     
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    So Musk is ignorant of natural selection and gynecology. Call me not at all shocked.
     
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    Elon is fucking stupid. If being fucking stupid makes you good at running a business, what does that say about every business ever?
     
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    Admittedly just skimmed most of this but I thought it was pretty understood at this point that our education system is garbage and we are loaded with ignorant and lazy people. Hence our next President. “The best country on earth” label waved bye bye to us a long time ago.
     

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