OT Southern Cal / Palisades wildfire

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  1. cdub503

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    yup got the same thing, they said it was for another fire -- the kenneth fire which looks to be on the west side of the valley kinda by agora hills a bit.

    Also watched the runyon fire start up last night while i was grocery shopping just saw people staring and then i realized what i was actually seeing, they got that one out though i think.
     
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    I think you've vastly underestimated the miles of power lines in the USA. Google says 500,000 miles of transmission lines and 5 million miles of distribution lines.

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    Trump said Newsom refused to sign water release document that would have given California millions of gallons of water. There was never any such document.

    Musk liked a tweet from professional liar Alex Jones saying Democrats deliberately started fires to de-industrialize the country.

    Shows what kind of federal aid we can expect.
     
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    You coddle him.
     
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    Yeah you're probably right. I googled it as well but came up with a few different numbers. This one seemed to be in the middle of one of the higher estimates that I saw. But again, it was just a quick search during my break.

    500,000 mi of transmission lines are probably the more important ones to tackle... And probably the least expensive? Even at a trillion dollars that's still worth it.

    I have to think more about the 5 million miles if distribution lines. That definitely seems cost prohibitive.
     
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    Citizens arrest!

    My favorite kind of arrest.
     
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    WTF....why would an arsonist be walking around with a blow torch? I hear they dont have enough evidence to arrest him on that.
     
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    why do rappers grab their peckers, is a sign of dominance?
     
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    The issue in part is also limited easement in some areas. There are neighborhoods where the existing aerial power is run along the fence line of back to back backyards.
    Trust me on this. I used to work for Comcast putting up mainline and I've worked burying underground, including fibre.
    Underground is the way to go for all new builds because you can dig wider trenches without the need for shoring.
    But once you start trying to dig in limited quarters, shoring is required, which significantly slows things down causing a large increase on labor costs. Navigating the required spacing between utilities can also be a challenge. Water and gas and sewer are already underground everywhere. There are many areas where the easement doesn't provide enough required space to put another utility in the ground. From my experience and knowledge, this would cost many trillions of dollars to convert the whole country to underground and I think most would say as devastating as this is in the Palisades, that money could be better spent on other things.
     
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    In cities, we could run cables through the sewers. Just swap out one of your toilets for one that includes an electrical panel.

    Tried to find a picture of a toilet with a breaker box on the front of the tank but the internet failed me. Maybe it's supposed to be installed in the bathtub instead?

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    All infrastructure that runs through towns (and needs buried/updated) should be buried when the streets are being repaired. which happens every 5 years or so anyway.

    All services should be installed in conduit under the street. Then you'd have updated smart and safe (and expandable) infrastructure easily accessable to every home in 5 years (or make it 10).

    Then it's a matter of connecting the homes. You could tell home owners they are responsible for having a trench dug to their home by a certain day amd the crew would make the connections to their homes at no cost.

    Obviously these are just suggestions, but they are solvable problems that could make a huge impact on quality of life and access to education.

    Not to mention it being a huge bump to the economy...
     
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    • Cost per mile
      Underground lines can cost between $297,200 and $4.5 million per mile in urban areas, and between $18,000 and $24,000 per mile for overhead lines
    The United States has over 600,000 circuit miles of alternating current (AC) transmission lines, including 240,000 miles of high-voltage lines. In addition, there are millions of miles of distribution lines that carry electricity to homes, businesses, and schools.

    5mill x 2mill = 1e13


    5 million miles of cable times 2 million per mile, which is less than half the projected high cost( trying to provide an average)

    the cost is alot more than a few of you think.
     

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