<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>I have to admit that I have a bit of a stubborn streak when it comes to Giants quarterback Eli Manning. I keep reading and hearing about how he is the next star quarterback in the NFL, but I still don't see it.Don't get me wrong: Manning's 2005 metrics were much-improved over his 2004 numbers, but they still were not that good. I rank quarterbacks in eight major metrics, and Manning ranked quite poorly in most of these:On the positive side, Manning's bad-decision numbers were vastly improved, and he did a have a good (if not great) yards-per-attempt ranking. Even if I try to focus on his positives, however, his negatives keep coming up over and over again. He did rank in the top 10 in weighted bad-decision percentage, but he had 31 near-interceptions! It was by far the most near-interceptions in the league last year. To put that number into perspective, consider that no other quarterback topped the 30 mark in that category and only four others even topped the 20 mark.Manning's accuracy is also a huge negative. It wasn't just that he ranked 38th in overall accuracy percentage. He couldn't even crack the top 30 in any of the depth levels, which shows that the problem was not confined to merely one type of pass. In addition, 10 of Manning's interceptions were due to inaccurate passes, which was easily the highest number for any quarterback in that category.The game notes provide even more insight into his accuracy problems. I had notes from numerous games that indicated Manning's passes are often wobbly (especially deep ones) or slip out of his hands. His deep passes also tend to float quite badly. His lack of accuracy probably also explains his high number of near-interceptions, as defenders have just as tough of a time catching his passes as the Giants receivers do.The odd part was that Manning was working on his technique very deep into the season. I'm not talking a late-season tune-up, either. Manning had to work on such fundamentals as consistently pointing his toe at the target and not throwing off his back foot. He also had more than a few instances of not being able to find the passing lane and having some of his passes knocked down because of it. These are the kinds of technical details that should not have to be corrected this consistently this far along in a quarterback's career.The other common theme in the game notes is Manning's approach to the game. I don't know that this is the case, but I keep getting the sense that something is really not right between Manning and more than a few of his teammates.Giants coach Tom Coughlin described Manning's demeanor as very flat and said Manning lets nothing bother him. Other people have characterized Manning as placid and calm. It goes unsaid by nearly every analyst, but I will bet there are some players on the Giants who might read his even tone as nonchalance or immaturity.I believe that might be the reason Manning and his receivers aren't on the same page. If a Giants receiver keeps seeing inaccurate passes thrown his way and notes what he might perceive as a less-than-serious attitude on Manning's part to correct the problem, he might not be very forgiving.I'm not predicting bad things for the Giants' offense in 2006, but it is certainly sitting on a fault line of sorts. If things begin to get shaky due to a bad start and/or injuries, Manning will need to establish a certain level of leadership and accountability or this could get ugly in a hurry.</div>
This does not surprise me one bit. I honestly think he is one of the league's worse starters set for this year.
Id love to know how people come up with these 'stats' like a 'Near Interception' or a 'Inaccurate ball' because no matter how I look at it it seems like this would have to be decided by the Matter of Someones Opinion. If the stadium is loud and the Quarterback calls an audible but the Wide Reciever doesnt realize it and Manning threw the ball where he was supposed to be instead of where he was, is that a 'Inaccurate ball'? What exactly constitues a 'Inaccurate ball' now I know theres the obvious examples but what about a play where the ball is maybe inches out of his recivers hands, is that 'Inaccurate'? Cause to me it seems like some stats based on what an observer thinks should have happened when in reality he has no clue what supposed to happen on that play. Now granted, a few individual plays probably wouldnt make a drastic difference in the individual stats, but I have to wonder just how accurate they are....
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Jul 30 2006, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Id love to know how people come up with these 'stats' like a 'Near Interception' or a 'Inaccurate ball' because no matter how I look at it it seems like this would have to be decided by the Matter of Someones Opinion. If the stadium is loud and the Quarterback calls an audible but the Wide Reciever doesnt realize it and Manning threw the ball where he was supposed to be instead of where he was, is that a 'Inaccurate ball'? What exactly constitues a 'Inaccurate ball' now I know theres the obvious examples but what about a play where the ball is maybe inches out of his recivers hands, is that 'Inaccurate'? Cause to me it seems like some stats based on what an observer thinks should have happened when in reality he has no clue what supposed to happen on that play. Now granted, a few individual plays probably wouldnt make a drastic difference in the individual stats, but I have to wonder just how accurate they are....</div>I'm sure he looks at the receiver before he gets rid of it. By that, he must know what route the receiver will be running because he would be running the play he audibled out of. Therefore, both players should know their assignment although Eli knows the receiver did the wrong thing.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ Jul 30 2006, 08:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This does not surprise me one bit. I honestly think he is one of the league's worse starters set for this year.</div>Please tell me you are kidding me. Atleast explain why. You cant say something like that and leave it unexplained.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Tha.New.Look.Giants. @ Jul 30 2006, 10:24 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ Jul 30 2006, 08:44 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This does not surprise me one bit. I honestly think he is one of the league's worse starters set for this year.</div>Please tell me you are kidding me. Atleast explain why. You cant say something like that and leave it unexplained.</div>Maybe it's because his QB rating is ranked between Kerry Collins, David Carr, Trent Dilfer, and Josh McCown, Michael Vick, and Brooks Bollinger....Maybe it's because his Completion % (the rate at which he successfully gets the ball to his WR/TE/RB) is ranked 31st out of 34 qualified passers... behind Kerry Collins and Michael Vick.Or Maybe it's because he's never shown himself worthy in any way of his draft pick status... other than jersey sales...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ Jul 30 2006, 06:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Jul 30 2006, 12:43 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Id love to know how people come up with these 'stats' like a 'Near Interception' or a 'Inaccurate ball' because no matter how I look at it it seems like this would have to be decided by the Matter of Someones Opinion. If the stadium is loud and the Quarterback calls an audible but the Wide Reciever doesnt realize it and Manning threw the ball where he was supposed to be instead of where he was, is that a 'Inaccurate ball'? What exactly constitues a 'Inaccurate ball' now I know theres the obvious examples but what about a play where the ball is maybe inches out of his recivers hands, is that 'Inaccurate'? Cause to me it seems like some stats based on what an observer thinks should have happened when in reality he has no clue what supposed to happen on that play. Now granted, a few individual plays probably wouldnt make a drastic difference in the individual stats, but I have to wonder just how accurate they are....</div>I'm sure he looks at the receiver before he gets rid of it. By that, he must know what route the receiver will be running because he would be running the play he audibled out of. Therefore, both players should know their assignment although Eli knows the receiver did the wrong thing.</div>passing is timing.. eli and other good qb's have a fast release, he throws the ball where the reciever is supposed to be not where he is.. when its a timing play.. like a hook or 5 yard and out.. u know lets say u have a 10 yards and out play.. and eli audibles to a a 10 yard button hook.. well he's not gonna be looking, at that side of the field.. to trick the defenders after the ball is hiked.. he looks the other way.. knows when to turn and throw, and bam.. instead of turning around .. the reciever goes to the right.. and wtf is eli supposed to do about that?
If Archie Manning and even Peyton Manning had not stated Eli would be a great Quarterback, and people were laying these standards for him, he would be int he same breath as David Carr. However, simply because there is the possibility he'll be as good as his brother, people expect tons from him
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ Aug 4 2006, 05:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If Archie Manning and even Peyton Manning had not stated Eli would be a great Quarterback, and people were laying these standards for him, he would be int he same breath as David Carr. However, simply because there is the possibility he'll be as good as his brother, people expect tons from him</div>That's exactly how I feel about him. People let the name on the back of his jersey determine how good he is.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JHair @ Aug 4 2006, 01:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KMart @ Aug 4 2006, 05:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If Archie Manning and even Peyton Manning had not stated Eli would be a great Quarterback, and people were laying these standards for him, he would be int he same breath as David Carr. However, simply because there is the possibility he'll be as good as his brother, people expect tons from him</div>That's exactly how I feel about him. People let the name on the back of his jersey determine how good he is.</div>I just let his play on the field dictate where he gets ranked... The problem is because hes not Peyton Manning people think he completely sucks, which is far from the case.
