Politics Ukraine / Russia

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  1. Hoopguru

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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    That's relevant if your goal is, "You're either with us or against us." If your goal is finding truth, all that matters is whether what he said in the video is true or false.
     
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    I have always appreciated your weirdness, but I'm surprised you are a fan of Scott Ritter, a guy who, along with Putin, expected Ukraine to fall in three days. Do you really believe, as he does. that the Bucha massacre was committed by Ukrainian police (that is a rhetorical question, I don't want to have a discourse on this)? I suggest looking at the Wikipedia link https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scott_Ritter . As far as looking for the truth: I try really hard on my FB group page, that deals with Ukraine's struggles over the last 12 years, to present a fair picture. I talk about their failures and successes. I don't skip over problems with corruption or mistakes by government and military leaders. And yes. if you think that russia is being honest about why they are in Ukraine (or about almost anything) or has some legitimate reason to be in Ukraine, I am definitely against you. There is no grey area here.
     
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    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    None of this addresses what he said in the video; it's all ad hominen. I suspect that all of you are too lazy to go through the video, and you're waiting for me to summarize it point-by-point. I'm lazy too. Maybe I'll get the energy to do so eventually, but not at this time. Big Costco day coming!
     
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    Trump unveiled his plan to end the war which would not have started had he been president. Impose tariffs on Russia. As US does very little trade with Russia impact almost nil.
     
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    @crandc I think he is talking about more than just trade with USA. He might be thinking of blocking all tankers carrying oil from russia. And I think how he speaks may have some impact. He seems to be understanding what most of the world does not yet understand, that russia is losing. russians understand the implications of his message and it has stirred up a real hornet's nest, Here is his full statement. [​IMG]
     
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    Here are some of the russian responses to Trump's statement. I think Trump will either bring an early peace or else a massive escalation on both sides,
     
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    Here is latest statement from Girkin. Only someone already in prison can speak truth in russia. You may remember he is ex russian military who led forces to try to take over eastern Ukraaine. He was indicted for being responsible for the downing of the Dutch airliner, later imprisoned by Putin for criticizing his handling of the war against Ukraine.
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    trump and putin will demand that Ukraine not join NATO.
     
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    What if USA agreed to a mutual defense treaty like USA has with S Korea? then Putin could claim he won because he kept Ukraine out of NATO?
     
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    I don't think Trump has an understanding of anything.
     
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    One can certainly go broke overestimating Trump's cleverness, but maybe the key to this statement is that he's going to put tariffs and sanctions on Russia "and other various participating countries".
    My guess is "other various participating countries" are mostly named Ukraine.
    And hey, if there are sanctions on Russia and Ukraine, then we can't give arms or aid to either one, right?

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    Hopefully he means N. Korea and Iran, but who knows with Trump? He is still quoting casualty figures in the war that are way off. He still thinks russia took the main losses in WW II when it was actually Belarus, Ukraine and Moldova. He doesn't understand that the Istanbul agreement would have been giving up Ukraine's sovereignty. He understands that russia economy is suffering but not that russia has lost a lot of the territory they took in 2022 and that they are suffering more casualties every day than they can replace. Hopefully when Zelensky meets with him they can present the true picture in an easily understood format.
     
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    In one of his best videos, former Navy seal Chuck Pfarrer discusses the January 14 and 24 attacks, calling them the largest and most sophisticated in military history. His presentation is also very sophisticated, replete with video, photos, maps and graphics, as he explains the tactics necessary to get through russian air defenses. I wish Trump had the patience and inclination to view this; he would have a much better understanding of how the war is going for russia..

     
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    The best way to understand russia and Putin is to listen to a russian who has been close to Putin.
     
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    January only
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    Trump was going to end the war in Ukraine his first day in office.
     
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    Rare earths really are the best earths...
     
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    I say if he can return all Ukrainian land (including Crimea of course), then give him all the damned rare earth minerals that he wants.
     
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