Politics The water war is starting!

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  1. jlprk

    jlprk The ESPN mod is insane.

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    Trump is just a symptom of a fat cell problem. It's his plumber's fault for giving up on unstopping the White House toilet.
     
  2. SlyPokerDog

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    Well, it is pouring but nothing to do with Trump. I cold explain atmospheric rivers but he is too stupid.
     
  4. Chris Craig

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    Measuring water by barrels? I guess it's the new oil huh
     
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    Or whiskey?
     
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    Columbia River water now appears to be part of Trump’s escalating trade war with Canada

    The U.S. has paused negotiations with Canada on a keystone management plan that governs flood control, water supply and hydropower in the shared Columbia River Basin as President Donald Trump escalates his trade war and threats to Canada’s sovereignty.

    British Columbia’s energy ministry said in a news release this week that Trump administration officials notified them they would pause and review their engagement with Canada on final updates to the 61-year-old Columbia River Treaty. The U.S. Department of State did not respond to questions from the Capital Chronicle by Thursday evening.

    Under the terms of the treaty, Canada controls the flow of the Northwest’s largest river from its headwaters in British Columbia, ensuring enough water is sent downstream to meet U.S. hydropower needs.

    Canada also provides water storage that helps prevent flooding, supports irrigation and protects fish habitat. In exchange, Canada is entitled to some of the hydropower generated by the Bonneville Power Administration’s 31 Columbia River Basin dams.

    The Bonneville Power Administration, in charge of marketing the hydroelectricity produced by the U.S. dams, directed Capital Chronicle questions about the pause to the U.S. State Department.

    The Columbia River Basin and the dams within it generate 40% of the United States’ hydropower, irrigate $8 billion in crops and carry 42 million tons of commercial cargo every year.

    Barbara Cosins, a professor emerita at the University of Idaho College of Law and an expert on water law, said a breakdown of the treaty will be harder on the U.S. than Canada.

    “If the two parties really get in a tit-for-tat over this river, Canada is the winner,” Cosins said. “There’s a saying in water law that says: ‘It’s better to be upstream with a shovel than downstream with a right,’ because you can just stop that water.”

    MODERNIZATION ON PAUSE

    The Columbia River Treaty, first ratified in 1964,was set to expire late last year. In July 2024, Biden administration officials and Canadian officials reached a tentative agreement, under which Canada would receive less hydropower from the U.S., but would get more flexibility when it comes to water storage. Canada would also receive over $37 million in direct payments from the U.S. under that agreement.

    But Biden officials could not get the tentative agreement finalized and in front of the U.S. Senate for a vote before Trump took office. Instead, a series of interim agreements have extended for several years, certain provisions of the 2024 treaty updates.

    Those interim agreements are non-negotiable, according to John Wagner, an environmental policy professor at the University of British Columbia and an expert on the Columbia River Treaty.

    “Trump cannot just pause these because they were approved by an exchange of notes between Canada and U.S. governments before Trump took office,” Wagner said in an email.

    But if Trump and administration officials decide not to resume negotiations on a final agreement, Wagner said, “(it) will be dead in the water.”

    Among updates to the Columbia River Treaty being negotiated were more engagement on decision making with tribal governments and more investment in fish habitat and recovering threatened salmon populations in the basin.

    https://www.oregonlive.com/environm...-trumps-escalating-trade-war-with-canada.html
     
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    Insane. Canada has ALL the leverage here.
     
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    He wants Oregon, Washington, and California to suffer so much and either blame Canada for it or secede.
     
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    Seceding is good. I'd happily just join Canada if what is happening is what we can expect in the future.
     
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    Not until we can protect ourselves militarily, but I agree this has to be the way.
     
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    You think it's a good idea, eh?

    Sorry, just trying to get into character. Choosing French as my foreign language in high school instead of Spanish may end up working out for me after all.
     
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    To be fair, I don’t think it’s a good idea per se, but I do think that Balkanization is inevitable at this point. And of the options, I dislike being annexed by Canada the least.
     
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    And Canada has no nukes...
     
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    Is this a point in favor or against?
     
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    I'm not sure. I bet Ukraine wishes they had some nukes.
     
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    One of my sons is recently divorced and I sent him a Canadian dating app...just in case ...my wife and our son are now in Taiwan for several weeks seeing family and checking on our place over there..you know things are shaky in the states when Taiwan becomes an attractive option for stability and democracy but Xi is not as dumb as Trump nor as reckless as Putin when it comes to actually taking military action.
     

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