Portland NBA Touch Stats

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  1. wizenheimer

    wizenheimer Well-Known Member

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    I posted this in another thread but was kind of thinking it deserved it's own thread:

    the NBA 'touch' stats for Portland are kind of interesting:

    touches per game:

    Simons 65.0
    Scoot 59.9
    Avdija 59.8
    Sharpe 46.8
    Ayton 45.1
    Camara 41.8
    Grant 40.4
    Banton 34.8
    Timelord 23.6
    Clingan 23.3
    Walker 13.5
    Murray 13.1

    average seconds/touch

    Scoot 4.59
    Simons 4.55
    Banton 3.82
    Sharpe 3.32
    Avdija 3.04
    Grant 2.60
    Camara 1.94
    Murray 1.90
    Walker 1.77
    Ayton 1.61
    Clingan 1.48
    Timelord 1.30

    average dribbles/touch:

    Scoot 4.08
    Simons 4.07
    Banton 2.99
    Sharpe 2.77
    Avdija 2.20
    Grant 1.81
    Murray 1.15
    Camara 1.08
    Walker 0.84
    Ayton 0.57
    Clingan 0.42
    Timelord 0.33

    average points/touch:

    Sharpe 0.363
    Grant 0.357
    Ayton 0.320
    Murray 0.307
    Simons 0.283
    Walker 0.269
    Banton 0.254
    Avdija 0.247
    Camara 0.246
    Timelord 0.246
    Clingan 0.240
    Scoot 0.207

    a bit surprising that Grant is 2nd in points/touch. However, he led the Blazers last season at 0.400 so his lack of efficiency this season is noticeable. Might be that Grant isn't quite the low efficiency ball-hog we're assuming

    I'm assuming these numbers do not gauge points from assists. I recall seeing a metric of around 1.2 points/assist (fantasy is 1.5). If you used the 1.2 gauge, then points/touch would be:

    Sharpe 0.422
    Grant 0.422
    Simons 0.375
    Avdija 0.317
    Scoot 0.313

    I would think if we are adding credit for assists, then we should be debiting for turnovers. But I don't know how that could be assessed

    I think we are undervaluing Sharpe because he has failed the expectations gauge. We can see that he should be doing better than he is. But before the Blazers discard him as a bust they really need to examine if Billups is the best coach for Sharpe. I don't believe he is

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    isolation play-type:

    Sharpe - 61st percentile (11.2% of plays)
    Simons - 46th percentile (14% of plays)
    Scoot - 23rd percentile (13.8% of plays)

    Avdija - 98th percentile (only 5.3% of plays)
    Banton - 70th percentile (8.7% of plays)

    PnR ball handler:

    Sharpe - 84th percentile (26.4% of plays)
    Simons - 78th percentile (39.4% of plays)
    Avdija - 61st percentile (19.8% of plays)
    Scoot - 47th percentile (33.7% of plays)

    again, it seems like there's a disconnect between the perception of Sharpe's production and efficiency vs how he stacks up on the team statistically

    some of it though, may be tied to spot-up shooting:

    Simons - 81st percentile (17% of plays)
    Grant - 80th percentile (34% of plays)
    Banton - 77th percentile (23.4% of plays)
    Scoot - 65th percentile (17.8% of plays)
    Camara - 40th percentile (39.8% of plays)
    Sharpe - 21st percentile (17.3% of plays)
     
  2. SheedSoNasty

    SheedSoNasty Well-Known Member

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    It’s crazy how much stats have evolved lately. They track everything
     
  3. Rastapopoulos

    Rastapopoulos Well-Known Member

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    I bet if Seth Curry were still on our team he would be leading in points per touch handily.
     
  4. PDXFonz

    PDXFonz I’m listening

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    So 20 more touches for Sharpe
    20 for Scoot
    And the remaining 25 divided between everyone else?

    25 for sharpe
    15 for scoot?
     
  5. Mediocre Man

    Mediocre Man Mr. SportsTwo

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    Depends on how good his defense is. He might be buried on the bench and never touch the ball
     
  6. Rastapopoulos

    Rastapopoulos Well-Known Member

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    You're ALMOST getting my point
     

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