Trade Avdija to Blazers

Discussion in 'Portland Trail Blazers' started by RR7, Jun 26, 2024.

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Good trade?

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  1. STOMP

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    they play very different roles that, if things go right in their developments, compliment each other. If they both reach their ceilings, its other teams that will have issues

    What would be an issue is if one or both don't develop... & btw it seems like something is off with Shaedon. Dude's weak handle hasn't improved & now he's losing confidence in his J. Struggles & hard work are often are the basis for success so here's hoping he's putting in the work on his weaknesses

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    Yeah I’m not too worried about whose franchise this is… lol. We’re not there yet
     
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    Sharpe (and his handles) and Scoot have significantly improved this season. Not ready yet but better.
    With Clingan and Camara’s D and some O … Deni is a connective, defending, multi-level-scoring, straw that stirs the drink. He’s a keeper.

    While I preferred other draftees, it’s a nice foundation.
    GET draft picks and youth that fits the type.
     
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    And how many of those players lost the game for team during the same game?
     
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    Or is it Deni's team? Too hard to determine at this time, gotta see what Scoot and Shae can do and improve next yr, I have no worries about Deni
     
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    Right now it's Deni's team. It could Shaedon's if he steps up and stops second guessing himself.
     
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    Deni is a beast.
     
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    I can't imagine why he'd be second guessing himself...
     
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    he was getting cooked by ty jerone and anyone that went at him.

    and instead of forcing the issue he just passed to his teammates and took himself out of the plays.
     
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    Yeah, sounds like he might have confidence issues.
    It seems like with quality mentoring and a coach who showed faith in him he would get past that after a year or two...

    I wonder what the problem is?
     
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    So it would follow that you'd credit the development of Scoot & Camara to good coaching right?

    Personally, I always put the lion's share of the blame/credit on the player. I don't buy the bitching about how Shaedon is being handled as he's gotten a ton of minutes this year despite being inconsistent and not very productive overall. Dude has started over 60% of the games he's played this season. His struggles are not about a lack of opportunity or consistent minutes any more then they're about a lack of ability. I certainly don't think his handle sucks because of a lack of confidence but I absolutely do think his poor handle hurts his confidence and keeps him from attacking defenders. He's still very young and hopefully he's putting in the work off the court and things start clicking more often for him. This Blazer team would be pretty darned good with consistent SG play.

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    Has Chauncey been getting shots up with Scoot? If so, then sure he gets some credit. I highly doubt that is the case.

    Camara was a good defender the day he got here.

    Sharpe's struggles are exactly the kinds of struggles you see from a young player who is being punished for something other people get away with and isn't comfortable.

    Which is exactly what is happening.

    I don't care how good (or bad) we would be with Sharpe as our starter. We should not be shooting for wins at the expense of the development of our young players.

    I 100% believe our coaching staff has slowed the develoment of both Scoot and Sharpe in their quest to win more pointless games.
     
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    both players have progressed a ton in every aspect of their games since they got here. Like Shaedon, both have access to near unlimited amounts of coaching & trainers to work on their games. I doubt there is a head coach in the league in decades who shags balls for players as they shoot so thats a silly red herring to bring up. It's up to the players to put in the work with all the resources at their disposal. Even if they do, not everyone progresses at the same rate or has the same capacity to improve.

    says you (over & over & over) but the stats/game logs disagree. He's received big minutes and a ton of starts throughout the year despite consistently inconsistent results. Portland has been giving him the opportunity to play through mistakes/struggles, just look at the minutes and starts. Shaky guard play is the main thing thats been holding this squad back and they'd absolutely love him to provide it at SG today, but especially in seasons to come which is why they play him so much. If any of the three youngins we're discussing would have a beef about their role and minutes, it would be Scoot who I'd argue has improved the most from last year to this. He's averaging 3.5 less MPG then Shaedon and 2 minutes less then last year. Last year he started 32 games, this year 9. Yet somehow despite how unfair those mean old coaches are he's playing with confidence and excelling.

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    I'm glad you picked up on the irony.
    That Scoot has been able to adjust to the mismanagement is a credit to Scoot. It doesn't mean the coaches are doing things right.

    The first goal of coach (or any trainer or teacher) should be to do no harm.

    I completely disagree with the way they've handled Sharpe. He's responding to it about exactly as I thought he would. And as I've been on record as saying.

    Scoot also took a lot longer to round out to this form than people thought he would. That's why there was so much talk about him being a bust.

    None of this is a credit to the coaches. In fact, the idea that anyone is holding Scoot's development out as a positive example of the quality of this staff is somewhat laughable.

    I give Scoot huge props for overcoming this situation. I sincerely hope that Sharpe does as well. But if and when he does, it will not mean that Billips did anything right.
     
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    So when a young player struggles, it's all the coach's fault but when a young player develops it's laughable to suggest they deserve some credit? Oh will someone please coddle these poor poor multi-million dollar menials with ample opportunities & near unlimited resources at their disposal? Good grief what a crock.

    I'm very much on record going into this season saying I expect Scoot and Sharpe to largely struggle but hopefully they show flashes of what they're to become as they get schooled up by the league. I'm also on record that I think these two young men are the biggest talents on the team and think they could be great, it's just likely to take some time if it happens at all. That some posters thought their developments into the stratosphere should happen instantaneously was silly wishful thinking which there is always a strong strain of here. That those same posters have been crying about their unrealistic expectations not being met & throwing around the bust label is not something other posters need to respect. So sorry but they're just doubling down on the stupid

    Shaedon and Scoot are still both very young and inexperienced by NBA standards. Both still have holes in their games which I hope/assume they're working on with coaches/trainers in the vast amount of their daily lives that I don't pretend I'm privy to. I hope/assume that management is watching whats happening in the off camera time judging coaches and players on the work they are or aren't putting in as thats their job. If they judge the coaching to be poor or ineffective then they're in position to make changes. If you and others want to play pretend that you do know whats what behind the scenes and then get upset over your speculations, have at it. Just don't expect others to respect it

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    Lol. Nice straw man.

    I don't disagree with any of this. It wasn't just in this forum, though. For example, try googling "Scoot bust"...

    I'm not pretending anything actually. I haven't made any claims about what's going on behind the scenes or me knowing anything about it.

    Nor have requested your respect of my opinion.

    But great job on sticking to your straw man strategy to explain why people being disappointed with management and coaching decisions makes you sad or angry or whatever. I hope you feel better now.
     
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    Deni without a doubt is the most vocal leader on the team. They needed someone like that badly. As we saw when he yelled at Scoot yesterday. Deni is very emotional.

    At the moment he is also the best player on the team. Even if Scoot or Shae pass him in talent he will still be the vocal leader. But the way he throws his body around, I think injuries would be the only thing holding him back. He does it all
     
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    I didnt understand why that was so controversial when that chauncey quote got taken out of context. ant and grant didn't come through when presented the opportunity last year. shaedon and scoot not there yet.
     
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