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  1. HailBlazers

    HailBlazers RipCity

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    He didn't play against the Blazers as well; neither did Clarkson, Kessler, and Collins. Utah lost that game. 4 nights later. Markannen, Kessler, and Collins played against Minny and the Jazz won. The very next game, all 4 Jazz starters sat and the Jazz lost

    Ainge obviously playing Capture the Flagg. He just has to be less blatant in sitting Markkanen as he's the only Jazz player that meets 'star' criteria

    OKC is reportedly under investigation for sitting all 5 starters and their 6th man vs Portland. I wonder if their defense will be "we still won"....?
     
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  4. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Meh….

    The real answer is relegation but they won’t ever do that. The teams are worth too much. But there’s no penalty for being consistently shit.

    Really they need to have a penalty for being in the bottom 4 again and again. Basically remove them from consideration of the lottery and they get the 5th pick if you have been bottom 4 for three consecutive years. Kinda like the luxury tax. They have worse penalties if you’re a repeat offender. The lottery needs to be the same way.
     
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    Strenuus Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    Id be down with something like picks after the first round and teams who were in the bottom 5 for the 3rd year in a row they pick 31 and 32 and everyone "moves up".

    Lol it'd never work but it'd be funny.
     
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    I've never considered tanking a problem. For the most part it's self-correcting with even average management

    I suppose they might come up with something to 'punish' chronic abusers after 5 years of tanking, but then, they have to subjectively determine what constitutes tanking and I doubt there a fair formula
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    Agreed. The lottery and losing for half a decade is the only way that non-destination teams can compete with destination teams.

    If you do it right and have decent management you will have acquired enough talent to compete with destination teams.
     
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    HailBlazers RipCity

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    I consider that a problem. There should be no incentive to lose.
     
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    Phatguysrule Well-Known Member

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    I don't disagree. However, I understand why it is there.

    What other mechanism would you use to even the field between destination cities and non-destination cities? I would also prefer something that doesn't encourage losing.
     
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    They need to be more honest about the rubber banding mechanic of the lottery.

    Make the lottery odds higher based on how many years it's been since a finals appearance, with odds going increasingly back down each year in a row that you miss the playoffs.
     
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  11. Chris Craig

    Chris Craig (Blazersland) I'm Your Huckleberry Staff Member Global Moderator Moderator

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    No draft picks for destination cities.
     
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    Now we're talking!
     
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    Gimmicky as fuck but I’d love to see a splashy Dispersal Draft style event every time we get a new CBA. Teams get to pick two players to keep, then get a spot in a fully random zipper draft order and just redraft every player currently in the league until all players have been redrafted. All get signed to the new CBA, even the kept players. Then a month later you have the normal draft.

    There are obviously so many bad things about this but with all the NBA players being friends now it seems like a way to keep it kind of lighthearted. Also gambling would love it as a way of keeping different pools of money interested in the sport.
     
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    Take the 5 worst teams and have a GM knife fight. Last one standing gets the first pick.
     
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    Good point. I'd gladly pay $1 million of our salary for a better shot at Flagg.
     
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    If the punishment's a fine, that means it's legal if you're rich!
     
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    And Jody is!
     
  19. Natebishop3

    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I was thinking zero sum. I have played MMOs that have loot rules and when one person spends a bunch of points to buy an item, the points are dispersed to the other people in the group. So if the Spurs got Wemby, those mother fuckers shouldn’t have saved up nearly enough points to have another shot at a number one pick.
     
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    I've said this before but the answer to tanking is to reverse the lottery order... not the draft order just the lotto. So the team with the best record who doesn't make the playoffs has the best chance at the first pick and being in the top 4, the team with the second best record out of the playoffs has the second best chances and so forth. I don't know if you cut that off at the top three or the top four but after the top 3 or 4 you the order is the same, whoever didn't get into the top 3 or 4 via lotto drafts worst to best picks 4 or 5 through 30.

    No more tanking, definitely a reason for all of the teams to fight for wins that would equal better odds at the top four picks.
     
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