Politics Ukraine / Russia

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  1. Shaboid

    Shaboid Well-Known Member

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    First of all, you can shove your condescension up your ass. The reason I haven't responded in a substantive way to your remark is mainly because you've repeatedly espoused Russian propaganda in this very thread. I have no reason to provide a reasonable response to your rebuttal because we all know there is no reasonable discussion to be had with a internet troll.

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    There are many ways to compare countries contributions to a specific cause, % of GDP being one of them as Barfo indicated above. Is it the most honest? Idk, I never said it was. I provided the r/dataisbeautiful reddit link, there is a lot of discussion there about this specific graph if you'd like to go in depth. I found the correlation of % of GDP and distance to Moscow specifically interesting though. It's almost as if it shows that the countries that are closest to the Russian capital and have dealt with their bullshit the most have had a real reason to contribute to the defense of Ukraine.

    Are there flaws in this graphical representation? Absolutely. Specifically I think the flowers at the bottom are dumb as hell. Again, here's the link to the reddit thread:

    https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/s/RRxFd05af7

    Not sure any of it has to do with your social media feed, but whatever.
     
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  2. UncleCliffy'sDaddy

    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    You're asking far more from another poster than you ever provide to back up your own half baked takes on whatever it is you are grinding your gears over at the moment. We just have to take your word for it. We get that you are an angry individual. We would be too if we had been so foolish as to buy the psychotic ramblings of an aging, mentally ill grifter who had already made it blindingly obvious he was entirely unfit to be president of this country. A man who stood up in public numerous times and promised he was going to do a laundry list of shit that was going to bring this country to its knees. Not OUR fault. Own it and deal with it. And begin the recovery process. Because you sure aren't gonna own the libtards on this site. And all the insults and churlishness aren't going to make you any less wrong.

    Enjoy your boy's run in the sun and the destruction he leaves in his wake. I seriously hope you make it through unscathed in a state that "receives about $6,718 in federal funding per person, which is among the highest in the country." (USAFacts). That is about $3.9 billion, that goes to pay for education, health care, infrastructure, public health programs and workforce development. (USAFacts). Sounds to me like your state is going to be bent over a post and forced to take it dry in the near future. Please let us know how that works for you as it unfolds......and I say this as a guy who loves Wyoming as almost much as I love Oregon.
     
  3. UKRAINEFAN

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    This seems to indicate that they are lying when they say if Ukraine will just do this and that, they will restore military aid.
     
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    New demands on Ukraine, give US mineral rights, Zelenskyy has to "change attitude", turn over occupied land to Russia, Zelenskyy also needs to prepare to resign and call elections. US meeting with pro Russia opposition to whom, presumably, President Musk would send millions of dollars.

    Surrender, Dorothy!
     
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    I don't know what to say about Ukraine agreeing to a 30 day ceasefire. Previously they had said they would not agree to a ceasefire without first security guarantees and also some commitment to getting territory back. But they are getting knocked out of the Kursk region in russia and they may have been told by Europe that they are either unable or unwilling to give a lot of military aid so they felt like they had to do it to at least get some temporary military aid from USA. It seems like having a ceasefire now will fix the borders on the current combat contact line. Will Ukraine agree to that? It's not so bad; russia would just gain a few hundred square kilometers of destroyed cities and towns. The other possibility is that Ukraine could put those thirty days (and maybe longer as negotiations drag on) to better use than the russians. Many Ukrainian troops have been fighting for two or three years (while most of the russians who started the war are dead) so they are exhausted and could use a break to recuperate, train new forces and work on better organization and communication. They could get the rest of the USA equipment into the country, bring in artillery shells from all over the world, ramp up production even further of drones and armored vehicles and
    repair what they have. Europe could also ramp up military production, Then if they don't like the way negotiations are going, they could go back to war.
    I think russia will accept the 30 day ceasefire although they may stall until they can get Ukraine completely out of Kursk and they may try to get USA to relieve some sanctions as an incentive. (If Trump does that it would mean he is a very bad negotiator or really is a traitor.}
     
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    That's right. Ukraine is the North in this drama!
     
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    VERY BIG TOP NEWS TODAY Fire in Volgograd started after UAV attack started near railway station + strike on Lukoil oil refinery!

    Zelensky:“Long Neptune” has been tested and successfully used in combat. The range is 1.000 km.
    The EU has no intention of stopping arms supplies to Ukraine if a 30-day ceasefire is established, -
    DW Vyriy Drone has presented the first serial batch of FPV drones made entirely of Ukrainian components.
    Zelensky: Kursk operation in certain areas continues. There is no encirclement of our troops.
    PM Starmer: "European military leaders to meet in UK on Thursday over peacekeeping force in Ukraine."
    Everyone thinks that Ukraine has won [in Saudi Arabia].
    Everyone is interested not in reducing, but in strengthening AFU, — Zelensky
    Let America now force Russia to take the first step, — Zelensky on the 30-day truce
    "Under any circumstances, we will not recognize the occupied Ukrainian territories as Russian," — Zelensky
    Massive protests in Serbia and Hungary!
    Macron: "Russia does not give the impression of a country that wants peace. Putin wants to get everything and then negotiate."
    Ukraine is a sovereign country. If it asks NATO to be present on its territory, it is not for Russia to decide whether to agree or not, — Macron
    Le Parisen claims that the Franco-British plan to send peacekeepers to Ukraine is in the final stages of approval!
     
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    Love it!

    Send the ruskies packing. Or at least hold out until the US can fling this monkey off our backs and hopefully come back to our senses.
     
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    I don't want to hear another thing about Russian interference in our elections...

     
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    Russia is a fucking problem.

    But we have to fix our systems here to do anything about it.

    Israel, the UK, and the US share a ton of intelligence. Incentives are generally aligned for all three countries.

    I don't like a lot of shit they do, but they aren't nearly as much of a threat to US democracy as Russia and Trump.
     
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    The biggest threat to U.S. democracy is the U.S. When people can't afford to live, they want to overthrow the system. Trump is the first symptom of that. There will be more.
     
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    Very few are cheering.
     
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    UncleCliffy'sDaddy We're all Bozos on this bus.

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    Well......this IS the party of "no more wars" and "respect for the Constitution and law and order". They just have an odd way of showing it.....
     
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    That's exactly what I'm saying. Blaming another country does nothing. It's our own house we need to be focusing on. Only internally can we limit the influence that powerful entities have on our government.

    We can't help anybody else at this point. Regardless of what we want. Everyone else is just going to have to get by without us and (in some cases) in spite of us.
     
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    The power that the Israeli lobby has should scare every American. Whatever they want they have a green light. They have nuclear weapons. It doesn't seem to matter which party is in power, Israel controls both. Carter and Nixon said this. We are occupied and now they're taking aim at Americans themselves.
     
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    We are literally losing our constitutional rights because of Israel. That is unique to them. It's not about blame. It's about recognizing a very real problem for what it is instead of acting like we can't talk about this very obvious problem.
     

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