<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Punisher @ Aug 16 2006, 04:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Ohh... I DID mix them up with the Lloyd trade. david, why did you guys do that trade? lol</div>Nobody liked him in the locker room cuz he always blamed the rest of the offense for his faults. Nolan HATED that, he thought he should've held himself responsible for his bad plays. Lloyd also did not want to be with the team cuz he thought that the 49ers were holdin him back from bein great, we'll see how that goes lol.Anyways I LOVED that trade. We got rid of a drama queen receiver while bringin in someone who produced in a bad situation; Antonio Bryant who signed with us for half the pay that the Skins gave Lloyd. Plus we used the 3rd rounder on Brandon Williams who looks to become a playmaker. AND we still have the 4th next year :beerbang2:
That's really weird... Gibbs and them can't stop talking about Lloyd and his great attitude. I guess he just hated to lose (no offense).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Punisher @ Aug 16 2006, 08:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's really weird... Gibbs and them can't stop talking about Lloyd and his great attitude. I guess he just hated to lose (no offense).</div>Everyone hates to lose, but usually players dont bitch about it they just try to do whatever to help the team. Lloyd just bitched about it. Its cool both teams came out happy.
I think Cooley is way overrated... he is 98 and he only started like 9 games. On the other hand Reggie Bush is being ridden to the xtreme... he is almost 90 and his feet havent even touched the end zone yet. Now the Bears are looking good... Nathan Vasher has great coverage skills now rather than last year and Brian Urlacher is still the top dog at LB.
That's exactly why Cooley is a 98. He only started 9 games and still managed to put up over 70 catches for nearly 800 yards and 7 TDs. His stats would've been better than Gates if he would've started all games. Trust me, overrating a Skins player...? Just doesn't happen... ever.david, I'd bitch too lol. Especially knowing I'm so good yet the 6 QBs don't pass me the ball enough.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Punisher @ Aug 17 2006, 07:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>david, I'd bitch too lol. Especially knowing I'm so good yet the 6 QBs don't pass me the ball enough.</div>It was 4, and they passed it to him plenty. He just could never seperate from the defender due to him not bein fast enough and not runnin the routes good enough. The fag never did anythin in this league besides make a few great catches (Although most of them could have been caught normally, not him actin like he has to put his all into it to just get his hands on the ball), he shoulda kept his overrated mouth shut and stopped aligator armin passes and just caught the ball :thumbsup:
Just looking at the numbers for the comparision is rather misleading. Santana Moss had played 8 of his 16 Games against teams that were in the bottom 10 in Pass Defense in the league and only 2 of his 16 Games against teams that were in the top 10 in Pass Defense in the League. Laveranues Coles had 3 Games against bottom 10 Pass Defenses and 5 Games against top 10 Pass Defenses. Santana Moss had the obvious advantage to put up numbers when playing against that many bad defenses. _________________________________________Santana Moss had Mark Brunell who started 15 Games for him and played the Second half of the other Game.Laveranues Coles had Chad Pennington start for 3 Games, Vinny Testaverde start for 4, and Brooks Bollinger start for 9 Games, and somewhere in the middle had to catch passes from Jay Fiedler and Kliff Kingsbury also. It's hard to build Chemistry with your Quarterback when there is a new one each and every week._________________________________________The Redskins suffered serious injuries to .....exactly who on offense?The Jets suffered serious injuries to Chad Pennington (Missed 13 Games), Jay Fiedler (Missed 13 Games), Kevin Mawae (Missed 10 Games), Jason Fabini (Missed 7 Games), Marko Cavka (Missed 16 Games) Chris Baker (Missed 8 Games), Curtis Martin (Missed 4 Games), Derrick Blaylock (Missed 9 Games), and Wayne Chrebet (Missed 8 Games).It's not exactly easy to move the ball on offense and compile stats when you're playing without 5 Starting Players and 4 important backup players, all of which were on offense. _________________________________________Santana Moss was playing perfectly healthy for the Redskins. (....Which by the way was his first season in his career where he didn't have his hamstring bothering him to hold him back, do you really think it wont happen again?)Laveranues Coles had a nagging foot injury from his last season with the Redskins. Completely different situations they were both in last season so you can't really compare them. I would expect the numbers to be much closer this season, and it wouldnt suprise me in the least if Laveranues Coles has better numbers then Santana Moss this upcoming season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Punisher @ Aug 17 2006, 06:17 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>That's exactly why Cooley is a 98. He only started 9 games and still managed to put up over 70 catches for nearly 800 yards and 7 TDs. His stats would've been better than Gates if he would've started all games. Trust me, overrating a Skins player...? Just doesn't happen... ever.david, I'd bitch too lol. Especially knowing I'm so good yet the 6 QBs don't pass me the ball enough.</div>http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/492912Cooley started 16 Games last year.Only started 9 Games the year before that. There is no way that someone deserves a 98 rating for putting up 10.9 Yards Per Reception, 774 yards, and 9 TD. I could understand if they wanted to rank him like 94-95, but in order to be a 98 you need to be the kind of player that puts up 1000 yards a season EVERY YEAR.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Nebkreb @ Aug 17 2006, 04:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>im lowering cooleys overall...thats absurd that hes a 98</div>Ok, so just lower anyone's rating you don't agree with. Hmm let me see, Vick will be about 70 overall, and Pennington's arm strength with be a 24 for me then.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Aug 17 2006, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Completely different situations they were both in last season so you can't really compare them. I would expect the numbers to be much closer this season, and it wouldnt suprise me in the least if Laveranues Coles has better numbers then Santana Moss this upcoming season.</div>No team had put Coles in double or triple coverage, so not many of your points were valid.
[quote name='Capt. Comeback' post='64918' date='Aug 17 2006, 01:56 PM'][quote name='Nebkreb' post='64909' date='Aug 17 2006, 04:31 PM']im lowering cooleys overall...thats absurd that hes a 98[/quote]Ok, so just lower anyone's rating you don't agree with. Hmm let me see, Vick will be about 70 overall, and Pennington's arm strength with be a 24 for me then.[/quote]I do that every year. Edit some players up and some players down. I don't do it to be a homer either, like Dewayne Robertson is always edited to be worse for me. This year Kerry Rhodes will be upped a LOT. Cooley will be down, Matt Jones' speed will be increased... etc. No team had put Coles in double or triple coverage, so not many of your points were valid.[/quote]Coles is always in triple coverage. He was for the Skins, and is for the Jets. More so than Moss was, Moss had a run game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Aug 17 2006, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just looking at the numbers for the comparision is rather misleading. Santana Moss had played 8 of his 16 Games against teams that were in the bottom 10 in Pass Defense in the *snip*</div>but then wouldn't we have to consider the circumstances that led to those teams being in the top 10, or bottom 10. For example, the best pass defense(statistically) belong too...*drum roll* Green Bay. Now, does that have more to do with their dominating defensive backfield, or the fact that they A. their opponents averaged only 26.9 attempts per game which was 2nd only to the Saints. and B. gave up 125 on the ground to opposing teams.Would anyone honestly take the Packer's secondary over Chicago's, or Baltimores? I don't think the numbers are misleading at all. The only time I ever see this even being an issue is from Jets fans who are in denial. About Cooley, yes, he is overrated. but anyone who is familiar with Madden knows that TE's who have decent skills and abilities get a huge boost when put into the FB postion. I imagine his overall will come down to earth once you stick him at TE.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Aug 17 2006, 03:56 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There is no way that someone deserves a 98 rating for putting up 10.9 Yards Per Reception, 774 yards, and 9 TD. I could understand if they wanted to rank him like 94-95, but in order to be a 98 you need to be the kind of player that puts up 1000 yards a season EVERY YEAR.</div>71 catches(third amongst all NFL TE's) 10.9 yards a clip,m 774 yards and 9 TD's are very impressive numbers for a "TE". Getting 1000 yards from the TE position is no ordinary feat. To put what I said into prospective, consider this. Tony Gonzalez is rated 97, and he's only went over 1000 yards twice his whole career.Make no mistake though, 98 is ridiculous, but thats just a position thing, cuz he's listed as FB. I personally feel, that as a TE, he should be rated 88. I need to see one more Pro Bowl calibur seasons before I put him in the 90's.
88 is Fauria-like.But for a FB, 98 is anything but overrated. Like I said before, he will be a 94 or maybe even 93. But I checked in Madden 06, and he was a 93 (but in 07 they have way more attributes).
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fedex Danny @ Aug 18 2006, 05:26 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Aug 17 2006, 03:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just looking at the numbers for the comparision is rather misleading. Santana Moss had played 8 of his 16 Games against teams that were in the bottom 10 in Pass Defense in the *snip*</div>but then wouldn't we have to consider the circumstances that led to those teams being in the top 10, or bottom 10. For example, the best pass defense(statistically) belong too...*drum roll* Green Bay. Now, does that have more to do with their dominating defensive backfield, or the fact that they A. their opponents averaged only 26.9 attempts per game which was 2nd only to the Saints. and B. gave up 125 on the ground to opposing teams.Would anyone honestly take the Packer's secondary over Chicago's, or Baltimores? I don't think the numbers are misleading at all. The only time I ever see this even being an issue is from Jets fans who are in denial. About Cooley, yes, he is overrated. but anyone who is familiar with Madden knows that TE's who have decent skills and abilities get a huge boost when put into the FB postion. I imagine his overall will come down to earth once you stick him at TE.</div>You do bring up a solid point, but Moss's Top 10 pass Defenses were Chicago and Tampa Bay, and Coles's Top 10 Pass Defenses are Tampa Bay, Carolina, Jacksonville, Baltimore, and New Orleans. The only one you could say isn't a top Pass Defense out of the bunch is the Saints and even so it would only be 4 games to 2 then. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>71 catches(third amongst all NFL TE's) 10.9 yards a clip,m 774 yards and 9 TD's are very impressive numbers for a "TE".Getting 1000 yards from the TE position is no ordinary feat. To put what I said into prospective, consider this. Tony Gonzalez is rated 97, and he's only went over 1000 yards twice his whole career.Make no mistake though, 98 is ridiculous, but thats just a position thing, cuz he's listed as FB. I personally feel, that as a TE, he should be rated 88. I need to see one more Pro Bowl calibur season before I put him in the 90's.</div>10.9 yards a clip is a poor number compared to that of the other Elite Tight Ends in the league. It is at least a half a yard per reception behind most Elite Tight Ends and almost 3 yards per reception behind that of Jeremy Shockey. He may get the ball alot, but he hasnt broken many long receptions when he does get it. In 71 receptions, he only has 6 Over 20 Yards. In comparision Jeremy Shockey has 12, Antonio Gates has 16, and Tony Gonzalez has 9. The fact that Gonzalez is a 97 and only has 2 1000 yard seasons just helps prove my point that somebody who had 750 yards does not deserve a 98. I would have no complaints if he was a 92-93 type rating as a Tight End but to be listed as one of the best players in the game, you need to prove yourself as one of the best players in the game instead of being barely on the grasp of Elite as Cooley currently is.Punisher, 78 is Fauria like. I have watched him play for a few years now and he is NOTHING Special. He is a decent blocking Tight End with Stone Hands. There is a good reason why he was eventaully phased out of the New England offense for people like Ben Watson and Daniel Graham. That is why he is a BACKUP Tight End and backups dont get an 88 rating (Unless they're name is Reggie Bush ).The only reason he was given an 85 this year is because they seem to think that Cooley is a Fullback and Fauria is going to start and once they fix making Cooley A tight end, I would expect them to drop Fauria's ranking some also (But as a consolation prize, they would likely increase Sellers rating)
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Punisher @ Aug 18 2006, 08:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Fauria was always 85 or better. He started 10 games for the Pats... and 13 for the SB winning Pats.</div>And Jason Fabini was ranked like an 89 for the past 5 years. That doesn't change the fact that in reality he was probably the Worst Offensive Lineman in the NFL.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Aug 18 2006, 10:42 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The fact that Gonzalez is a 97 and only has 2 1000 yard seasons just helps prove my point that somebody who had 750 yards does not deserve a 98. I would have no complaints if he was a 92-93 type rating as a Tight End but to be listed as one of the best players in the game, you need to prove yourself as one of the best players in the game instead of being barely on the grasp of Elite as Cooley currently is.</div>I already said he's overrated, so I don't know exactly if you're disputing me, or just Cooley's rating in general. Not measuring up to what Antonio Gates has done over the past 2 seasons, does not diminish Cooley's performance. Oh, and funny you mention CC's 6 catches for over 20 yards. Thats just as many as Laveranues Coles had.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Aug 18 2006, 01:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Punisher @ Aug 18 2006, 08:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Fauria was always 85 or better. He started 10 games for the Pats... and 13 for the SB winning Pats.</div>And Jason Fabini was ranked like an 89 for the past 5 years. That doesn't change the fact that in reality he was probably the Worst Offensive Lineman in the NFL.</div>Ok ok let me add on.Ahmed Plummer was 87+ for the past few years and he's retired now cuz he sucks and nobody wants him
