Brady linked to BALCO Trainer, Pats QB spokeBY TERI THOMPSON (DAILY NEWS SPORTS WRITER ) For the most part, the NFL has avoided the intense scrutiny that has plagued Major League Baseball in the BALCO steroid era. But those days may be nearing an end. One of the NFL's biggest names - New England quarterback Tom Brady - has peripherally emerged in the BALCO investigation. Federal prosecutors today will try to convince a judge to throw Barry Bonds' personal trainer back in jail for refusing to testify, this time before a newly assembled grand jury that is reportedly also investigating track coach Trevor Graham and other athletes. In a statement to prosecutors about his intentions to keep quiet, Bonds' trainer, Greg Anderson, invoked Brady's name, effectively dragging the three-time Super Bowl winner into the biggest steroid scandal in U.S. sports history, saying the two had spoken over the phone but never made further contact.Several NFL players have emerged in the BALCO investigation, along with numerous baseball players, but none with the star power of Brady. Even if Brady is only remotely tied to Anderson and BALCO, he could find himself subject to the questions of the government, as have numerous other athletes. Brady was mysteriously absent for several days near the start of training camp. No reason was given for his absence."I had only one brief conversation with Tom Brady regarding a potential future workout," Anderson said in the statement to prosecutors that was included in court documents unsealed in San Francisco yesterday. "I never had another phone conversation with him and never discussed it with anyone."Paula Canny, an Anderson attorney, said Brady's name appears along with "10 to 20" other athletes that Anderson's grand jury subpoena lists as people the trainer should be prepared to answer questions about. Canny said investigators may have gotten Brady's name from Anderson phone records seized by the government, though Anderson doesn't refer to any other athletes in his brief statement.Brady attended the same Bay Area high school as Bonds. His agent, Donald Yee, couldn't be reached for comment, and the Patriots declined comment on Anderson's statement. "I don't have any information on it," Patriots spokesman Stacey James said. "I'm not going on hearsay."Anderson has refused on four different occasions to testify before federal grand juries investigating Bonds. He was released from prison on July 20 after serving 15 days for refusing to testify, but only after that grand jury's term expired. "I will not ever make statements about other people," Anderson said in the June 23 statement filed with the court. "That has always been my position and will continue to be."Prosecutors plan to ask U.S. District Judge William Alsup today to send Anderson to prison if he stands by that policy.Government lawyers are investigating whether Bonds lied under oath when he told an earlier grand jury he didn't know whether the substances given to him by Anderson were steroids. The grand jury probe also reportedly is focused on whether the Giants' slugger paid taxes on the sale of hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of sports memorabilia.The grand jury is also reportedly looking into the possible involvement of Graham, the track coach of Marion Jones and Justin Gatlin, who tested positive earlier this year for elevated testosterone levels.Anderson previously served three months in prison after pleading guilty to steroid distribution and money laundering stemming from the government's investigation of BALCO, which allegedly supplied Bonds and other elite athletes with performance-enhancing drugs.http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football...8p-374095c.html
CROWD: A witch! A witch! [bonk] A witch! A witch!CROWD: A witch! A witch! A witch! A witch! We've found a witch! A witch! A witch! A witch! A witch! We've got a witch! A witch! A witch! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! We've found a witch! We've found a witch! A witch! A witch! A witch!VILLAGER #1: We have found a witch. May we burn her?CROWD: Burn her! Burn! Burn her! Burn her!BEDEVERE: How do you know she is a witch?VILLAGER #2: She looks like one.CROWD: Right! Yeah! Yeah!BEDEVERE: Bring her forward.WITCH: I'm not a witch. I'm not a witch.BEDEVERE: Uh, but you are dressed as one.WITCH: They dressed me up like this.CROWD: Augh, we didn't! We didn't...WITCH: And this isn't my nose. It's a false one.BEDEVERE: Well?VILLAGER #1: Well, we did do the nose.BEDEVERE: The nose?VILLAGER #1: And the hat, but she is a witch!VILLAGER #2: Yeah!CROWD: We burn her! Right! Yeaaah! Yeaah!BEDEVERE: Did you dress her up like this?VILLAGER #1: No!VILLAGER #2 and 3: No. No.VILLAGER #2: No.VILLAGER #1: No.VILLAGERS #2 and #3: No.VILLAGER #1: Yes.VILLAGER #2: Yes.VILLAGER #1: Yes. Yeah, a bit.VILLAGER #3: A bit.VILLAGERS #1 and #2: A bit.VILLAGER #3: A bit.VILLAGER #1: She has got a wart.RANDOM: [cough]BEDEVERE: What makes you think she is a witch?VILLAGER #3: Well, she turned me into a newt.BEDEVERE: A newt?VILLAGER #3: I got better.VILLAGER #2: Burn her anyway!VILLAGER #1: Burn!CROWD: Burn her! Burn! Burn her!...BEDEVERE: Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.VILLAGER #1: Are there?VILLAGER #2: Ah?VILLAGER #1: What are they?CROWD: Tell us! Tell us!...BEDEVERE: Tell me. What do you do with witches?VILLAGER #2: Burn!VILLAGER #1: Burn!CROWD: Burn! Burn them up! Burn!...BEDEVERE: And what do you burn apart from witches?VILLAGER #1: More witches!VILLAGER #3: Shh!VILLAGER #2: Wood!BEDEVERE: So, why do witches burn? [pause]VILLAGER #3: B--... 'cause they're made of... wood?BEDEVERE: Good! Heh heh.CROWD: Oh, yeah. Oh.BEDEVERE: So, how do we tell whether she is made of wood?VILLAGER #1: Build a bridge out of her.BEDEVERE: Ah, but can you not also make bridges out of stone?VILLAGER #1: Oh, yeah.RANDOM: Oh, yeah. True. Uhh...BEDEVERE: Does wood sink in water?VILLAGER #1: No. No.VILLAGER #2: No, it floats! It floats!VILLAGER #1: Throw her into the pond!CROWD: The pond! Throw her into the pond!BEDEVERE: What also floats in water?VILLAGER #1: Bread!VILLAGER #2: Apples!VILLAGER #3: Uh, very small rocks!VILLAGER #1: Cider!VILLAGER #2: Uh, gra-- gravy!VILLAGER #1: Cherries!VILLAGER #2: Mud!VILLAGER #3: Uh, churches! Churches!VILLAGER #2: Lead! Lead!ARTHUR: A duck!CROWD: Oooh.BEDEVERE: Exactly. So, logically...VILLAGER #1: If... she... weighs... the same as a duck,... she's made of wood.BEDEVERE: And therefore?VILLAGER #2: A witch!VILLAGER #1: A witch!CROWD: A witch! A witch!...VILLAGER #4: Here is a duck. Use this duck. [quack quack quack]BEDEVERE: Very good. We shall use my largest scales.CROWD: Ohh! Ohh! Burn the witch! Burn the witch! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Ahh! Ahh...BEDEVERE: Right. Remove the supports! [whop] [clunk] [creak]CROWD: A witch! A witch! A witch!WITCH: It's a fair cop.VILLAGER #3: Burn her!CROWD: Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn! Burn!...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (JetsFreak2851 @ Aug 17 2006, 07:02 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Did you type that all up?</div>It's from a movie....and copy and paste works nicely. :whistling:
This is a shame if it's true, kind of ruins his whole story in the league...I hate thinking about how many other players may be tied to using roids and stuff like that.It gives the guys that are legit about how they train and work out no chance of competing unless they do it as well...
Personally, other that for injury recovery, I don't see how Steroids would really help Brady. I mean, he's not a guy who rely's heavily on his physical abilities, it's all mental.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Aug 17 2006, 08:50 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Personally, other that for injury recovery, I don't see how Steroids would really help Brady. I mean, he's not a guy who rely's heavily on his physical abilities, it's all mental.</div>Tom Brady was well undersized coming out of college. His major knock was a scawny frame and on a good day he might have weighed 180 on the scales in Michigan. I could definately believe that he used some sort of Performance Enhancing Drug (such as HGH, which the NFL does not currently test for) to help fill his body out as hes put on somewhere between 25 and 45 pounds since he came out of college in 2000. However, even with how much I hate the Patriots. The idea that Tom Brady placed a phone-call to Greg Anderson, who went to the same high school as Tom Brady did, isn't enough to accuse someone of PED use. I wouldnt really consider it out of the norm if your an aspiring Pro Athlete to Call the most famous alumni of your school to see what kind of workout regime they use. Thus my comments about the witchhunt, because the whole idea that because Brady called Greg Anderson makes him linked to BALCO makes about as much sense as 'If she weighs the same as a duck, then shes made of wood and therefore shes a witch'.You would need more evidence to make such an accusation IMO.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Aug 17 2006, 07:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>CROWD: A witch! A witch! [bonk] A witch! A witch!CROWD: A witch! A witch! A witch! A witch! We've found a witch! A witch! A witch! A witch! A witch! We've got a witch! A witch! A witch! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! We've found a witch! We've found a witch! A witch! A witch! A witch!VILLAGER #1: We have found a witch. May we burn her?CROWD: Burn her! Burn! Burn her! Burn her!BEDEVERE: How do you know she is a witch?VILLAGER #2: She looks like one.CROWD: Right! Yeah! Yeah!BEDEVERE: Bring her forward.WITCH: I'm not a witch. I'm not a witch.BEDEVERE: Uh, but you are dressed as one.WITCH: They dressed me up like this.CROWD: Augh, we didn't! We didn't...WITCH: And this isn't my nose. It's a false one.BEDEVERE: Well?VILLAGER #1: Well, we did do the nose.BEDEVERE: The nose?VILLAGER #1: And the hat, but she is a witch!VILLAGER #2: Yeah!CROWD: We burn her! Right! Yeaaah! Yeaah!BEDEVERE: Did you dress her up like this?VILLAGER #1: No!VILLAGER #2 and 3: No. No.VILLAGER #2: No.VILLAGER #1: No.VILLAGERS #2 and #3: No.VILLAGER #1: Yes.VILLAGER #2: Yes.VILLAGER #1: Yes. Yeah, a bit.VILLAGER #3: A bit.VILLAGERS #1 and #2: A bit.VILLAGER #3: A bit.VILLAGER #1: She has got a wart.RANDOM: [cough]BEDEVERE: What makes you think she is a witch?VILLAGER #3: Well, she turned me into a newt.BEDEVERE: A newt?VILLAGER #3: I got better.VILLAGER #2: Burn her anyway!VILLAGER #1: Burn!CROWD: Burn her! Burn! Burn her!...BEDEVERE: Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! Quiet! There are ways of telling whether she is a witch.VILLAGER #1: Are there?VILLAGER #2: Ah?VILLAGER #1: What are they?CROWD: Tell us! Tell us!...BEDEVERE: Tell me. What do you do with witches?VILLAGER #2: Burn!VILLAGER #1: Burn!CROWD: Burn! Burn them up! Burn!...BEDEVERE: And what do you burn apart from witches?VILLAGER #1: More witches!VILLAGER #3: Shh!VILLAGER #2: Wood!BEDEVERE: So, why do witches burn? [pause]VILLAGER #3: B--... 'cause they're made of... wood?BEDEVERE: Good! Heh heh.CROWD: Oh, yeah. Oh.BEDEVERE: So, how do we tell whether she is made of wood?VILLAGER #1: Build a bridge out of her.BEDEVERE: Ah, but can you not also make bridges out of stone?VILLAGER #1: Oh, yeah.RANDOM: Oh, yeah. True. Uhh...BEDEVERE: Does wood sink in water?VILLAGER #1: No. No.VILLAGER #2: No, it floats! It floats!VILLAGER #1: Throw her into the pond!CROWD: The pond! Throw her into the pond!BEDEVERE: What also floats in water?VILLAGER #1: Bread!VILLAGER #2: Apples!VILLAGER #3: Uh, very small rocks!VILLAGER #1: Cider!VILLAGER #2: Uh, gra-- gravy!VILLAGER #1: Cherries!VILLAGER #2: Mud!VILLAGER #3: Uh, churches! Churches!VILLAGER #2: Lead! Lead!ARTHUR: A duck!CROWD: Oooh.BEDEVERE: Exactly. So, logically...VILLAGER #1: If... she... weighs... the same as a duck,... she's made of wood.BEDEVERE: And therefore?VILLAGER #2: A witch!VILLAGER #1: A witch!CROWD: A witch! A witch!...VILLAGER #4: Here is a duck. Use this duck. [quack quack quack]BEDEVERE: Very good. We shall use my largest scales.CROWD: Ohh! Ohh! Burn the witch! Burn the witch! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Ahh! Ahh...BEDEVERE: Right. Remove the supports! [whop] [clunk] [creak]CROWD: A witch! A witch! A witch!WITCH: It's a fair cop.VILLAGER #3: Burn her!CROWD: Burn her! Burn her! Burn her! Burn! Burn!...</div> :LMAO: Monty Python and the Holy Grail!!!!
If Brady did take PED, I will go up to each and every Pats fan I know and laugh at them, and mock them.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Aug 17 2006, 01:40 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Tom Brady was well undersized coming out of college. His major knock was a scawny frame and on a good day he might have weighed 180 on the scales in Michigan. I could definately believe that he used some sort of Performance Enhancing Drug (such as HGH, which the NFL does not currently test for) to help fill his body out as hes put on somewhere between 25 and 45 pounds since he came out of college in 2000.</div>Yep, which was part of the reason he was a 6th round pick.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Brady says he never worked out with Bonds' trainerAssociated PressFOXBOROUGH, Mass. -- Tom Brady was looking for a place to work out when he called Barry Bonds' personal trainer "five or six years ago," but the two never got together, the New England Patriots quarterback said Thursday."That was the first of it and the last of it," Brady said after practice. "I never heard from him again."Government lawyers are investigating whether the San Francisco Giants slugger lied under oath when he told an earlier grand jury he didn't know whether his trainer, Greg Anderson, gave him substances that were steroids.In a statement to federal prosecutors unsealed Wednesday, Anderson said he had also spoken to Brady on the phone."I had only one brief conversation with Tom Brady regarding a potential future workout," Anderson said. "I never had another phone conversation with him and never discussed it with anyone."Brady confirmed what Anderson said and stressed that he never did work out with Anderson."No athlete likes to be brought up in stuff like that," he said.A two-time Super Bowl MVP, Brady was the guest of first lady Laura Bush at the 2004 State of the Union, where the president singled him out as a role model for drug-free sports."Trying to be a role model for children, that's what I'm all about. That's what I stand for," Brady said. "I have a family I represent. I have a team I represent. I try to do that the best I can."Brady, who attended the same Bay Area high school as Bonds, said he was back home one offseason and got the names of a few trainers who could help him work out. He reached Anderson, who was out of town at the time."I think he was at spring training," Brady said after the Patriots' last practice before Saturday night's exhibition game against the Arizona Cardinals. "It was before anyone knew Greg Anderson or who he was."Brady said he had never been approached about steroids -- either at Michigan or in the NFL."I was lucky. I never had to make those tough decisions," he said. "If you wanted to do steroids, I'm sure you could go out and get them. But you have a code of ethics you play by. It's the same thing when you're on the field, the same thing when I play golf."I don't cheat at golf. It's just kind of the way you live your life. It's about integrity, you choose to make certain decisions."Copyright 2006 by The Associated Press</div>http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2552932Palmeiro or Legit?
