That’s because he was lying. Democrats ran a moderate republican and won, then Trump goes insane because a black man is president and starts the birther movement… here we are.
Yeah lots of democrats like moderate republicans now that the Overton window has moved so far right Regan looks centrist
He literally won due to his "change" slogan. I'm sorry, but I absolutely think change is exactly what Americans wanted. He didn't screw anything up too bad and people were satisfied with that. We lost the sense of urgency. But most eagerly supported Obamacare and other liberating change that came along like gay marriage, etc. There simply wasn't enough change to prevent Trump.
I don't like his policies, but he's at least respectable and he'd be a guaranteed win over Trump. And that's enough to hopefully get some change without a civil war. Hopefully we've learned our lesson?
He was the change that the Trump constituency despised. Hence why Trump won. Trump won because Hussein Obama and his birther shit outraged the predominantly racist Republicans base
Getting off topic but my take on Obama is his fatal mistake was underestimating how much Republicans hated him. He honestly thought if he was reasonable and moderate they would behave in traditional bipartisan fashion. It took him too long to realize they were going all out to oppose anything he did no matter what, culminating in Moscow Mitch holding a Supreme Court seat up after Obama angered his own base by nominating a cautious moderate white male with impeccable Ivy League credentials, Merrick Garland. He squandered a lot of political capital trying to be bipartisan. His base disengaged because they weren't getting what they hoped for and stayed we ended up with Trump.
Right. But not enough policy or institutional change to overcome that. Which is what he ran on and is why people supported him. And to be clear, I think he would have allowed that change to happen, if a movement would have forced his hand. As happened with gay marriage. And good on him for allowing that to happen and supporting it once it was there. But he didn't instigate that change. The people who came out of the woodwork to support him did so because he said he would be a driving force behind institutional and policy change. For example, they supported Obamacare because he promised a public option.
I think truly great Presidents try and find middle ground. Because even though not everyone voted for them, they are representing and looking at the best interests of the United States as a whole.
I don't think he would be. Republicans are a lot better at voter suppression, gerrymandering, voter intimidation, and ballot interference than they used to be.
And that intention to be bipartisan may be what caused the failures I've been talking about. I really don't think this is off topic to this thread. I would vote for Obama hoping that he would use the presidential powers Trump has snatched to do everything in his power to deliver on the liberal change that he originally promised. And to set up policies that would be real guardrails to prevent a President like Trump from doing anything like this in the future. Obama is one of the few people who may actually have enough political capital to pull it off. If Trump pried open the possibility of a 3rd term, and if Obama actually wanted to do it.
Solid point. Definitely don't want to underestimate them again. I can't think of a stronger Dem candidate. Unless we want to vote for a Joe Manchin in hopes of pulling Republican votes. And fuck that. But that's probably far more preferable for the DNC.
Except Mitt Romney. America didn't want change so much that Obama made it his slogan. Gtfo with this revisionist history.
He would win. The rest of us would lose. You have your nose so far up the Democratic establishment's butt you'd probably be good with that though.
Huh. I wonder why we went from nirvana under Obama, to Trump right after instead of another Democratic administration... Someone figure this out for me. I'm confused...
Bernie would have cleaned up. All the data showed that. People were begging for populism after Obama failed. That's why we're where we are. Trump ran on it. The other side continues to not.
