Event 2025 NBA DRAFT LOTTERY, COMBINE, AND DRAFT

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  1. CJ_is_Gone

    CJ_is_Gone Well-Known Member

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    Great insights. Thanks for sharing. I think I like the 'idea' of Clifford better than him as a prospect. I think a Josh Hart type player is attainable for him.

    Do you have thoughts on:
    * Essengue
    * Thiero
    * Will Riley
     
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    Strenuus Global Moderator Staff Member Global Moderator

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    I see what you did there, and I am a huge fan.
     
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    I've posted about Noa so just search those but definitely a fan. He's got some issues defensively with his positioning and he's a bit of a gambler but intrigued but the size, fluidity, age and production. Shot has really come on too. Totally cool with him if we don't move up.

    I've liked Theiro since he was freshman and he's one of the best drivers and overall athletes in the class but his decision making, fouling on D and shooting keeps him as a late first guy for me. He's ahead of Fleming for me fwiw.

    Riley is rhe guy of the three I've keyed in on the least, mainly because I thought he may return but if he keeps his name in I'll take a deeper look. He's got some interesting scoring and passing instincts at his size but the defense and frame at his age (old freshman) worry me.
     
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    I tend to agree, younger prospects with the same skill set as an older prospect are much more desirable. But then every once in a while a Camara comes along.........
     
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    Yes, these are the numbers they are rounded to the nearest tenth of a percent. Both tankathon and the nba are showing the same thing. Here's an image the NBA put out on their twitter.
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    Definitely some exceptions. Glad we got one of them.

    Clifford posted a -2.7 OBPM as a 21 year old. He's gotten way better but every data point matters and that's historically bad for a draft prospect at that age.

    By comparison, Toumani had a 1.2 OBPM and a higher usage rate.
     
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    Yesterday nba.com didn't even have a url where the measurements would be listed today it says NO DATA AVAILABLE. If you scroll to shooting drills there are numbers for five different guys as of right now.

    https://www.nba.com/stats/draft/combine-anthro?SeasonYear=2025-26
     
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    Cugel The epitome of mediocrity

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    Flagg will be living in Texas or NY. POR gets the shaft. Those are my predictions.
     
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    If I had to make a prediction on Flagg... I wouldn't. Three teams have the exact same highest odds to land the first pick at 14%, one right after them at 13%. Those are extremely level odds so to predict one of those teams over another is hard but this still only represents 53% of the possibilities for the first pick. So, while if forced I would pick one of the top four teams over the field, it's still only slightly better than a coinflip, that it's not one specific team that gets the first pick and Flagg but one of four and then the other side of the coin which has only a little less weight is all 10 other teams.

    Here's a prediction, I don't think with less than one percent a piece that Atlanta or Sacramento will end up with the first pick. Now watch me be wrong about that because that is the nature of variable-ratio reinforcement.

    It's all about...
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    No surprise measurements so far. Biggest one for me is probably VJ measuring out a little bigger than I thought he looked on tape.

    Maybe McNeeley being taller than I thought too, but knew his frame/ long neck was going to hurt his standing reach measurement. Shorter reach by an inch compared to Kon despite being nearly 2 inches taller in shoes with a 2 inch longer wingspan.

    Pretty much nailed Queen and Kon off eye test.
    Thought Knueppel would measure very similarly to Dillon Brooks (thought slightly bigger) and that was nearly exactly the case.

    Fleming is huge like I thought. Earl Clark would be my closest physical comp. Earl wasn't as long but had a similar standing reach and height without shoes.

    Earl is a pretty good skill comp for Fleming as well to be honest. More like a modern version with more shooting but less talent with the ball as both a dribbler and passer.
     
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    So Kon was only 6'5 barefoot with a 6'6 wing span? (That is what Dillon measured at)
    What did VJ come in at?
    Has Ace been measured?
     
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    Yeah all those guys have.

    Just check out Givony's Twitter
     
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    Thanks for the heads up!
     
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    I see Rutgers was being generous listing Ace at 6'10, (6'7 3/4) ) But he does have a 7' wing span (same wing span as Flagg)

    Queen with pretty good standing reach.
    a 6’9 ¼ barefoot, 247.8 lbs with a 7’0 ½" wingspan and 9’1 ½" standing reach
     
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    THE HCP NorthEastPortland'sFinest

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    Saw somewhere that if they don’t call our name by #10…… that means we moved up to the TOP 4!!!!!
     
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    Cugel The epitome of mediocrity

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    Bless your heart. Already told the wife I will be sobbing uncontrollably if POR gets Flagg
     
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    Fingers crossed
     
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    SlyPokerDog Woof! Staff Member Administrator

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    Jack and Coke poured!
     

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