<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>49ers | Land 2007 draft choice for BarlowSun, 20 Aug 2006 13:32:28 -0700Updating previous reports, Matt Maiocco, of the Santa Rosa Press Democrat, reports the New York Jets gave up an undisclosed 2007 draft choice to the San Francisco 49ers in exchange for RB Kevan Barlow. 49ers | Barlow traded to JetsSun, 20 Aug 2006 13:29:27 -0700ESPNews reports the San Francisco 49ers have traded RB Kevan Barlow to the New York Jets. Jets | Barlow acquired from 49ersSun, 20 Aug 2006 13:28:58 -0700ESPNews reports the San Francisco 49ers have traded RB Kevan Barlow to the New York Jets.</div>
Jets confirm the trade:<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Jets | Team announces Barlow trade; pending his passing a physicalSun, 20 Aug 2006 13:54:15 -0700The New York Jets announced they have reached an agreement in principle with the San Francisco 49ers to acquire RB Kevan Barlow in exchange for an undisclosed draft pick. The deal is pending Barlow's passing of a physical. "We have been impressed with Kevan's production in both the running and passing game," said Jets' general manager Mike Tannenbaum. "We feel Kevan will complement our running back group, and he will come in and compete for playing time."</div>
By undisclosed pick they better mean 4th round or worse.The 2003 Season where he ran for 1024 yds in 201 carries Intrigues me, but he has really fallen off the map the last 2 seasons. I have to wonder if that was the result of bad offensive line play (well, bad whole team play) or something happened to him that resulted in him falling off.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Aug 20 2006, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>By undisclosed pick they better mean 4th round or worse.The 2003 Season where he ran for 1024 yds in 201 carries Intrigues me, but he has really fallen off the map the last 2 seasons. I have to wonder if that was the result of bad offensive line play (well, bad whole team play) or something happened to him that resulted in him falling off.</div>He fell off when he was given a new contract and made the full time starter in 2004.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Aug 20 2006, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Aug 20 2006, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>By undisclosed pick they better mean 4th round or worse.The 2003 Season where he ran for 1024 yds in 201 carries Intrigues me, but he has really fallen off the map the last 2 seasons. I have to wonder if that was the result of bad offensive line play (well, bad whole team play) or something happened to him that resulted in him falling off.</div>He fell off when he was given a new contract and made the full time starter in 2004.</div>This is true. Venom it is also the bad team part, but look what the phenom Frank Gore did with that same bad team!
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (david81 @ Aug 20 2006, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This is true. Venom it is also the bad team part, but look what the phenom Frank Gore did with that same bad team!</div>Yup 608 monster yards
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ Aug 20 2006, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (david81 @ Aug 20 2006, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This is true. Venom it is also the bad team part, but look what the phenom Frank Gore did with that same bad team!</div>Yup 608 monster yards </div>Almost as good as Betts.... lol.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Aug 20 2006, 04:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ Aug 20 2006, 04:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (david81 @ Aug 20 2006, 06:44 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>This is true. Venom it is also the bad team part, but look what the phenom Frank Gore did with that same bad team!</div>Yup 608 monster yards </div>Almost as good as Betts.... lol.</div>PWNAGE!
I dont expect him to be an Every-Down back for us as much as I expect him to split the load with Derrick Blaylock, who has looked rather solid to me yesterday. This move spells the doom of Cedric Houston IMO because they are a very similar type of Runningback who when healthy has good power/size, but unlike Houston, Barlow is known for Holding onto the ball rather well and having better 'Breakaway speed'.His struggles in the last 2 years began at the same time that Jeff Garcia / Terrell Owens / Charlie Garner had left the San Francisco. He had to play through Tim Rattay, Alex Smith, Ken Dorsey, and Cody Pickett games in the past 2 seasons, and we all know that none of them really played well. There is little doubt in my mind that teams were keying down on stopping Kevan Barlow and likely putting 8 in the box against him (Because, well, who else did they have? Brandon Lloyd who had no QB to get him the ball?), and with the poor offensive line around him in San Francisco, he had nowhere to go. I would think a change of scenery and less pressure to be the man as there was in San Francisco would help the guy. Maybe we will never see the Runningback who averaged 5.1 Yards Per Carry in 2003, but im hoping we can at least see the guy who averaged 4.1 in his rookie season. I would still expect to draft a RB in the first or second round of the NFL Draft next season, because I doubt the Jets view Kevan Barlow as more then a one or maybe two year rental due to his contract. With all of that said though, I still feel like we overpaid for him. The word im hearing on what the 'undisclosed/conditional' draft pick is that it will likely be a 4th round pick, But with Incentives could move up to a Third Round Pick. (Knowing Tannenbaum, these incentives are likely just about impossible to reach, such as a Runningback in a Committee getting 1000 yards.)I dont think he was that much better then what we currently have to make it a worthwhile trade though. Yes, he is better then Cedric Houston, but for a little bit of an upgrade, is he really worth possibly costing us another Brad Smith, Leon Washington, or Kerry Rhodes? I dont think he is.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Aug 20 2006, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Almost as good as Betts.... lol.</div>Gore wasn't a backup, Betts was and still is.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ Aug 20 2006, 07:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Aug 20 2006, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Almost as good as Betts.... lol.</div>Gore wasn't a backup, Betts was and still is.</div>Shows what you know lol, he only started a game or two...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (david81 @ Aug 20 2006, 10:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Shows what you know lol, he only started a game or two... </div>Betts didn't start any of the 12 games he touched the ball. He had 89 carries, Gore had 127 touches and actually started 1 game of his 14 he played.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ Aug 22 2006, 09:38 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (david81 @ Aug 20 2006, 10:59 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Shows what you know lol, he only started a game or two... </div>Betts didn't start any of the 12 games he touched the ball. He had 89 carries, Gore had 127 touches and actually started 1 game of his 14 he played.</div>And Betts sucked, and Gore didnt :thumbsup:And Gore WAS a back up so know what you're talkin about before you talk about it cuz you wont look like a retard :bigfinger:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Aug 20 2006, 05:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Aug 20 2006, 02:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>By undisclosed pick they better mean 4th round or worse.The 2003 Season where he ran for 1024 yds in 201 carries Intrigues me, but he has really fallen off the map the last 2 seasons. I have to wonder if that was the result of bad offensive line play (well, bad whole team play) or something happened to him that resulted in him falling off.</div>He fell off when he was given a new contract and made the full time starter in 2004.</div>Barlow always struck me as a back who would never look as good as a starter as he did when splitting the load with someone else. Not to hijack this thread or anything, but I find it interesting that AdropOfvenom is left pondering the mysteries involving Barlow's drop off, now that he's a Jet of course(I'm sure thats just a coincidence ), meanwhile, in otherthreadland, he just flat out calls Duckett a bust(who just happens to not be a Jet - I know, just a coincidence ). No mystery whatsoever, open and shut case.Just something I noticed.
[quote name='Fedex Danny' post='65995' date='Aug 24 2006, 06:56 AM']Not to hijack this thread or anything, but I find it interesting that AdropOfvenom is left pondering the mysteries involving Barlow's drop off, now that he's a Jet of course(I'm sure thats just a coincidence ), meanwhile, in otherthreadland, he just flat out calls Duckett a bust(who just happens to not be a Jet - I know, just a coincidence ). No mystery whatsoever, open and shut case.Just something I noticed.[/quote]I know what you're trying to get at, but I cant wonder?I'll be the first one to admit I havent watched many 49ers games since well...they arent televised. So I arent exactly familiar with why he struggled, but I would assume it had something to do with the lack of an offense around him and expecting him to be the man despite having no blockers and no passing game. Here's a few quotes I said before the trade ever took place when it was just a rumor.http://nflcentral.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=7335&st=0 The Jets likely have given up a Day 2 pick. It would have been an equally bad overpay if we had parted with anything more then we did. The Redskins did give up a Day 1 pick for him. Which is a move I wasnt willing to do with my own team because you are overpaying for a player who has done little in his career. We're talking about someone who averaged 3.1 Yards Per Attempt behind a very solid offensive line and the distraction named Vick to take some of the focus away from him. Is that really worth a day 1 pick to you? I dont think it is. As I already said in this thread, I don't view him as a potential franchise back and that he will likely split time with Blaylock. And to be honest, im not overly thrilled with the trade but I'm sure the Jets see something in the guy to make us thing that he can help us so I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt because I'm not exactly an expert on Kevan Barlow. Also, try and find me exactly where I called T.J. Duckett was a bust. All I said about the trade to the Redskins was..... Which it was.... Calling him a disapointment is not calling him a Bust. A disapointment is a guy who hasnt quite lived up to expectations, but is still a decent player.A bust is a useless player.Ryan Leaf is a bust, Blair Thomas is a bust, Tim Couch is a bust. A guy like TJ Duckett is a guy who hasnt lived up to expectations but is still a decent player, is not a bust IMO.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Aug 24 2006, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fedex Danny @ Aug 24 2006, 06:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Not to hijack this thread or anything, but I find it interesting that AdropOfvenom is left pondering the mysteries involving Barlow's drop off, now that he's a Jet of course(I'm sure thats just a coincidence ), meanwhile, in otherthreadland, he just flat out calls Duckett a bust(who just happens to not be a Jet - I know, just a coincidence ). No mystery whatsoever, open and shut case.Just something I noticed.</div>I know what you're trying to get at, but I cant wonder?I'll be the first one to admit I havent watched many 49ers games since well...they arent televised. So I arent exactly familiar with why he struggled, but I would assume it had something to do with the lack of an offense around him and expecting him to be the man despite having no blockers and no passing game. </div>I hate these damn posts. FRANK GORE DID VERY WELL WITH THE SAME TEAM.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (david81 @ Aug 24 2006, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Aug 24 2006, 11:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fedex Danny @ Aug 24 2006, 06:56 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Not to hijack this thread or anything, but I find it interesting that AdropOfvenom is left pondering the mysteries involving Barlow's drop off, now that he's a Jet of course(I'm sure thats just a coincidence ), meanwhile, in otherthreadland, he just flat out calls Duckett a bust(who just happens to not be a Jet - I know, just a coincidence ). No mystery whatsoever, open and shut case.Just something I noticed.</div>I know what you're trying to get at, but I cant wonder?I'll be the first one to admit I havent watched many 49ers games since well...they arent televised. So I arent exactly familiar with why he struggled, but I would assume it had something to do with the lack of an offense around him and expecting him to be the man despite having no blockers and no passing game. </div>I hate these damn posts. FRANK GORE DID VERY WELL WITH THE SAME TEAM.</div>It's much easier for a Change of Pace back to come in against an already tired defense from going after Barlow for so long. First of all teams do not key down on the backup Runningback like they normally would to the starter, Second of all, its a Fresh body against an already tired one from going after Barlow, and because of that you see things like LaMont Jordan averaged 5.2 yards per attempt as a backup Runningback but when he was asked to be the feature man in Oakland it dropped to 3.8. Kevan Barlow averaged 5.1 as a backup runningback but when he was asked to be the feature man it dropped to 3.4. You're compareing apples to oranges man.
[quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='66027' date='Aug 24 2006, 11:41 AM'][quote name='david81' post='66023' date='Aug 24 2006, 10:18 AM'][quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='66019' date='Aug 24 2006, 11:14 AM'][quote name='Fedex Danny' post='65995' date='Aug 24 2006, 06:56 AM']Not to hijack this thread or anything, but I find it interesting that AdropOfvenom is left pondering the mysteries involving Barlow's drop off, now that he's a Jet of course(I'm sure thats just a coincidence ), meanwhile, in otherthreadland, he just flat out calls Duckett a bust(who just happens to not be a Jet - I know, just a coincidence ). No mystery whatsoever, open and shut case.Just something I noticed.[/quote]I know what you're trying to get at, but I cant wonder?I'll be the first one to admit I havent watched many 49ers games since well...they arent televised. So I arent exactly familiar with why he struggled, but I would assume it had something to do with the lack of an offense around him and expecting him to be the man despite having no blockers and no passing game. [/quote]I hate these damn posts. FRANK GORE DID VERY WELL WITH THE SAME TEAM.[/quote]It's much easier for a Change of Pace back to come in against an already tired defense from going after Barlow for so long. First of all teams do not key down on the backup Runningback like they normally would to the starter, Second of all, its a Fresh body against an already tired one from going after Barlow, and because of that you see things like LaMont Jordan averaged 5.2 yards per attempt as a backup Runningback but when he was asked to be the feature man in Oakland it dropped to 3.8. Kevan Barlow averaged 5.1 as a backup runningback but when he was asked to be the feature man it dropped to 3.4. You're compareing apples to oranges man.[/quote]1st of all Gore runs during the whole game, he probably gets them tired more cuz he actually gains more than 3-4 yards.2nd Barlow averaged the 5 yards when he was motivated, not due to defenses being tired. He was a monster, not an average back that looked good due to tired defenses.]You dont know what you're talking about in this one buddy.
So, just because your a 49er fan means we have no clue what we are talking about? Your making it like the 49ers weren't the worst team last year, regardless of records, they were bottom 2.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Aug 24 2006, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's much easier for a Change of Pace back to come in against an already tired defense from going after Barlow for so long. First of all teams do not key down on the backup Runningback like they normally would to the starter, Second of all, its a Fresh body against an already tired one from going after Barlow, and because of that you see things like LaMont Jordan averaged 5.2 yards per attempt as a backup Runningback but when he was asked to be the feature man in Oakland it dropped to 3.8. Kevan Barlow averaged 5.1 as a backup runningback but when he was asked to be the feature man it dropped to 3.4. You're compareing apples to oranges man.</div> :yes:
