Which quarterback will have the best NFL career?<div align="center"><div align='center'>Vince YoungMatt Leinart</div>Jay Cutler</div>
In the immediate future? CutlerLong-term? YoungI don't think Leinart will be spectacular, but better than an average QB. All three will have good careers.
^ I agree. Jay will be the best of the crop this year but young has way more potential. I just don't see Matt doing amazing. He'll be solid at best.
I still say Cutler and I've been saying it since before the draft. I really like his mental makeup and I think he had the best opportunity to succeed because with Plummer he is not going to be rushed into playing in the NFL. He has got a great arm, plays agressively and attacks a defense, and while that has gotten him into trouble sometimes, he hasnt made a ton of mistakes. With good coaching like Shanahan has done with Plummer already im confident he can cut down on those mistakes. It's a perfect match between Cutler and Denver IMO. I thought he was the best QB in the draft all along...he just doesn't get the same kind of credit has Young or Leinart has because his college team well....sucks. I dont like the translation of Vince Youngs game to the NFL and I really doubt he ever lives up to expectations. Fact of the matter is that he has a very quirky delivery that makes him throw like hes 6'2 instead of 6'5, he doesn't have Michael Vick type breakaway speed and isnt going to be able to make things happen with his feet as much at the next level and you have to question his intelligence after listening to any interview hes ever done and his Wonderlic score, and when you only have 3-5 seconds to read a defense and unload a football, I dont want someone who isnt a genius running my offense. lolWith Matt Leinart you have to wonder if he has enough arm strength to make all the throws at the NFL level. His arm strength is somewhere in between that of Drew Brees and Chad Pennington, he really doesnt have a great arm and if you'll notice whenever hes had to play in bad weather conditions he tends to lob a ton of passes. Doesn't bode well for having to play in the Northeast in December/January. Plus you have to factor in that for the first time in his career he is going to be playing on a level playing field. USC facing the rest of the Pac-10 is like Goliath stomping on David over and over again. How much of USC's success was really because of him when you have Reggie Bush/LenDale White and multiple first and second round picks on the offensive line, not to mention Dwayne Jarrett and Steve Smith.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Aug 21 2006, 08:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I still say Cutler and I've been saying it since before the draft. I really like his mental makeup and I think he had the best opportunity to succeed because with Plummer he is not going to be rushed into playing in the NFL. He has got a great arm, plays agressively and attacks a defense, and while that has gotten him into trouble sometimes, he hasnt made a ton of mistakes. With good coaching like Shanahan has done with Plummer already im confident he can cut down on those mistakes. It's a perfect match between Cutler and Denver IMO. I thought he was the best QB in the draft all along...he just doesn't get the same kind of credit has Young or Leinart has because his college team well....sucks.</div>Damn right, I agree entirely. Cutler.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Aug 21 2006, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I dont like the translation of Vince Youngs game to the NFL and I really doubt he ever lives up to expectations. Fact of the matter is that he has a very quirky delivery that makes him throw like hes 6'2 instead of 6'5, he doesn't have Michael Vick type breakaway speed and isnt going to be able to make things happen with his feet as much at the next level and you have to question his intelligence after listening to any interview hes ever done and his Wonderlic score, and when you only have 3-5 seconds to read a defense and unload a football, I dont want someone who isnt a genius running my offense. lol</div>6'2" isn't exactly short and he has yet to have a pass batted down at the LOS out of 30 preseason attempts. It also hasn't been a problem in camp. He's already made plays with his feet, including a TD. It was ugly, but it was also 6 points.What does he do in interviews to make you question his intelligence?As for the Wonderlic: two words...Dan Marino.
Matt Leinart1. He comes from a great system, a system that has produced many NFL QBs, most recently Carson Palmer2. He has been successful since he was given the job. No matter how good the team surrounding a QB, the QB still has to make the plays...3. He can learn from Kurt Warner, a former MVP, he has good WRs surrounding him, he has a good coach.4. He has a chip on his shoulder. Last year, if he had come out of college for the draft, no question that the 49ers would have taken him with the number 1 overall pick. And this year, he had just as good of a year and he slips down to 10? I think he has something to proveWhy Jay Cutler will not be AS successful as Leinart. (I think Cutler will be successful, but just not to the level Leinart will be)The only reason, and the only reason why Cutler even has a chance to be as good as Leinart is because of his arm strength. Thats it. Leinart has better accuracy, reads defenses better, and has had more success. And dont give me bullshit about how Purdue was a bad team so his numbers arent as good as Leinarts. Good QBs can make their team better. A prime example? Donovan McNabb. I also dont think Plummer is going to be as good a mentor as Warner will be. Plummer will be fighting for his job, Warner knows his body will give out in a year or two. Obviously, Plummer is not going to be as helpful as Warner. It can make a big difference, learning how to watch tape, how to practice, how to mentally prepare yourself, etc. Cutler needs to learn quickly, learn more, and for the most part on his own. Its going to be tougher for him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jeefunk @ Aug 22 2006, 11:16 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>6'2" isn't exactly short and he has yet to have a pass batted down at the LOS out of 30 preseason attempts. It also hasn't been a problem in camp. He's already made plays with his feet, including a TD. It was ugly, but it was also 6 points.What does he do in interviews to make you question his intelligence?As for the Wonderlic: two words...Dan Marino.</div>When you're projecting a QB you want him to be 6'4" or 6'5" normally so that the batted balls isnt really an issue. It hasnt been in the preseason so far, but who's to say that it wont become an issue at some point. My point was that people who are expecting him to start playing like a better Michael Vick really don't know what they are getting in the guy. His speed is closer to that of Donovan McNabb then it is to Michael Vick, while it is good enough to break the occasional run, he isnt going to be the type to weave in and out of Defenders like Michael Vick can. He probably isn't going to be able to take a team and run for 100 plus yards on a top defense like he did in College. As for his Intelligence, Vince Young struggled until Mack Brown had to simplify the Texas Offense down for Vince Young. But he is expected to learn a full NFL Offense? An NFL Playbook is much more complicated then a College Playbook is and Vince Young couldn't handle the College playbook. Not to mention just look at any scouting report of him. <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>- Does not show a good comprehension of reading defenses and making progression reads.- Still lacks ideal decision-making skills.- For all his success on the field, it really has not come as a passer. Texas has simplified the playbook and not asked him a whole lot to beat teams through the air. Although he is improving, Young has a long way to go as a passer at the next level. His mechanics are inconsistent, which leads him to still sail or underthrow his receivers. He also tries to do too much at times through the air, forcing the ball into coverage too often. Young also tends to lock on to his receivers, which is something he will really need to work on at the next level.- Young ran a simplistic shotgun zone-read offense that was geared around his ability to run the ball. He will need a few seasons to adjust to NFL defenses and his teams' offensive scheme.</div>Next time he does an Interview....just listen to him. "And......Uhh....and Like". Not to mention how many rings does Marino have? He could never beat the Top Defenses when it mattered. In fact, try and find me one Quarterback who scored poorly on the Wonderlic Exam but went on to win a Championship. Randal Cunningham? Dan Marino? Steve McNair? Vinny Testaverde? Donovnan McNabb? Jeff George? Akili Smith? Neil O'Donnell? Jeff Blake? Elvis Grbac? Kordell Stewart? Anthony Wright? Chris Redman?
Leinart. I can't change what i've said before now.VYoung will be a bust still, and Cutler will be a bust/medicre.
The Wonderlic test is stupid. I looked at some sample questions, and they were math problems I could do in 5th or 6th grade.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrianUrlacher54 @ Aug 22 2006, 02:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The Wonderlic test is stupid. I looked at some sample questions, and they were math problems I could do in 5th or 6th grade.</div>Yet Vince Young still did terrible. :whistling:
I dont like any of these QBs but I think Cutler has the best tools to be the best and is on a good team to do it.
Cutler has the best tools to be.. Young will always be a bit overrated but Cutler will be a winner sometime.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Aug 22 2006, 12:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Not to mention how many rings does Marino have? He could never beat the Top Defenses when it mattered. In fact, try and find me one Quarterback who scored poorly on the Wonderlic Exam but went on to win a Championship. Randal Cunningham? Dan Marino? Steve McNair? Vinny Testaverde? Donovnan McNabb? Jeff George? Akili Smith? Neil O'Donnell? Jeff Blake? Elvis Grbac? Kordell Stewart? Anthony Wright? Chris Redman?</div>I am not arguing that Young is stupid. But your argument makes no sense. You dont have to be a genius to grasp an offense. Dan Marino, Steve McNair, Testaverde, McNabb, George, etc. all are, or were very good QBs. You dont need to be a genius to grasp a playbook nor do you have to be a genius to win the championship.I do not understand why people like Cutler in the short term. Ever hear of Jake Plummer? Do you know what he has done the last 2 years? Denver's situation is like it was in San Diego. A good QB is in front of the depth chart of a high draft pick QB. Denver will need to trade Plummer in order for Cutler to get a chance anytime soon.
I think Vince Young is the best out of the three, but so far Jay Cutler has been most impressing, and Leinart has the most weapons.
