Ashley Lelie to ATL, TJ Duckett to WAS, 3rd or 4th Rounder to DEN.

Uh, where are the mods? Pussy this, retard that. AnywhoDuckett produced in his roll as a change of pace/platoon back. He didn't play as well last year, as he had in previous seasons, but he wasn't very healthy, and still managed to get 8 TDs. Circumstance aside, his body of work shows he's capable of better numbers than he put up last year, but I guess if you really wanted to use that as an opportunity to bash Washington, then go ahead, here, I'll even help out a bit:He only rushed for 380 yards last year, he's a bust, yea, I know my team didn't run the ball well last year, but it was only because such and such was injured, and Duckett's o-line was one of the best. Also, our team mascot caught gonorrhea, and wasn't able to cheer for us in 3 of our home games. The Skins are trying to buy championships. Yea, I know my team may have only won 6 games in 2 years, but we're building through the draft, yada, etc.. yada..What a player is worth to a paticular franchise is subject to many factors, some of which are based on info the majority of us will never be privaledge to know. With that said, I agree with the above poster who said that you only overpay if your guy sux. Not for nothing, but I thought that Lloyd was the top FA WR available, next to Robinson(glad we didn't go there, *whew*) and was estatic that we were able to acquire him. I get a kick out of hearing the comments made about him, because they are eerily similar to the ones I heard about Moss a year ago.

 

Lloyd wasn't a FA. You traded for him.

 

Damn, if the Steelers had offered Quincy Morgan than we'd have had him. Staley looks like shit so Duckett would be great to have in the Bettis type role.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Aug 24 2006, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lloyd wasn't a FA. You traded for him.</div>He was a RFA. How many guesses do you need to figure out what the FA stands for?

 

I still am shocked about how the Redskins overpaid for Duckett...I don't think you're giving him enough credit. He was behind a probowl running back. Do you really think they would have been able to get a talent like Duckett late in the 3rd round anyway? It's very doubtful. The dude has averaged 4 yards a carry for his career/ He's averaged 9 TD's the last 3 years as a BACKUP. We'll see how he does, but my guess would be quite well. And if he scores anywhere near 9TD's for the Redskins this year...it will be a steal..not overpaying.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fedex Danny @ Aug 24 2006, 09:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Aug 24 2006, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lloyd wasn't a FA. You traded for him.</div>He was a RFA. How many guesses do you need to figure out what the FA stands for?</div>When someone says FA its meant for UFA

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (david81 @ Aug 24 2006, 02:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>When someone says FA its meant for UFA </div>So, a RFA isn't a FA?

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ Aug 24 2006, 12:23 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (david81 @ Aug 24 2006, 02:10 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>When someone says FA its meant for UFA </div>So, a RFA isn't a FA? </div>Technically they are but they arent really. FREE means you can go where you want like an UFA, RFA's have to wait a year :thumbsup:

 

An RFA takes offers from teams and decides, he doesn't exactly have to wait an entire year. If another team offers better and he wishes to sign, then he may.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ Aug 24 2006, 12:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>An RFA takes offers from teams and decides, he doesn't exactly have to wait an entire year. If another team offers better and he wishes to sign, then he may.</div>Thats not being free at all, thats why most people only think about UFAs when they think of FAs.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Fedex Danny @ Aug 24 2006, 08:03 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Aug 24 2006, 11:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Lloyd wasn't a FA. You traded for him.</div>He was a RFA. How many guesses do you need to figure out what the FA stands for?</div>Do I need to spell it out for you?Y-o-u d-i-d-n-'-t s-i-g-n h-i-m d-u-r-i-n-g f-r-e-e a-g-e-n-c-y a-t a-l-l.T-h-e R-e-d-s-k-i-n-s t-r-a-d-e-d f-o-r h-i-m. T-h-e-y g-a-v-e a 3-r-d a-n-d 4-t-h r-o-u-n-d p-i-c-k f-o-r h-i-m.T-h-e-n t-h-e-y g-a-v-e h-i-m a $-2-5--m-i-l-l-i-o-n d-o-l-l-a-r c-o-n-t-r-a-c-t w-i-t-h a $-1-0-m-i-l-l-i-o-n d-o-l-l-a-r s-i-g-n-i-n-g b-o-n-u-s. (which is more bonues money than Hines Ward, Derrick Mason, and Plaxico Burress received)E-v-e-n i-f y-o-u d-i-d s-i-g-n h-i-m a-s a r-e-s-t-r-i-c-t-e-d f-r-e-e a-g-e-n-t, y-o-u w-o-u-l-d s-t-i-l-l h-a-v-e h-a-d t-o g-i-v-e t-h-e 4-9-e-r-s c-o-m-p-e-n-s-a-t-i-o-n. T-h-e-r-e-f-o-r-e i-t s-t-i-l-l w-o-u-l-d h-a-v-e b-e-e-n a t-r-a-d-e.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2364444Sound it out.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ Aug 24 2006, 11:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>An RFA takes offers from teams and decides, he doesn't exactly have to wait an entire year. If another team offers better and he wishes to sign, then he may.</div>RFAs require compensation. Either way, making it a trade.

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (david81 @ Aug 24 2006, 03:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Thats not being free at all, thats why most people only think about UFAs when they think of FAs.</div>Thats just based on your own interpretation. That still doesn't defeat the fact that RFA = Restricted Free Agent, ie: free agent with restrictions

 

[quote name='chang' post='66052' date='Aug 24 2006, 04:45 PM'][quote name='Fedex Danny' post='66009' date='Aug 24 2006, 08:03 AM'][quote name='chang' post='66004' date='Aug 24 2006, 11:58 AM']Lloyd wasn't a FA. You traded for him.[/quote]He was a RFA. How many guesses do you need to figure out what the FA stands for?[/quote]Do I need to spell it out for you?Y-o-u d-i-d-n-'-t s-i-g-n h-i-m d-u-r-i-n-g f-r-e-e a-g-e-n-c-y a-t a-l-l.T-h-e R-e-d-s-k-i-n-s t-r-a-d-e-d f-o-r h-i-m. T-h-e-y g-a-v-e a 3-r-d a-n-d 4-t-h r-o-u-n-d p-i-c-k f-o-r h-i-m.T-h-e-n t-h-e-y g-a-v-e h-i-m a $-2-5--m-i-l-l-i-o-n d-o-l-l-a-r c-o-n-t-r-a-c-t w-i-t-h a $-1-0-m-i-l-l-i-o-n d-o-l-l-a-r s-i-g-n-i-n-g b-o-n-u-s. (which is more bonues money than Hines Ward, Derrick Mason, and Plaxico Burress received)E-v-e-n i-f y-o-u d-i-d s-i-g-n h-i-m a-s a r-e-s-t-r-i-c-t-e-d f-r-e-e a-g-e-n-t, y-o-u w-o-u-l-d s-t-i-l-l h-a-v-e h-a-d t-o g-i-v-e t-h-e 4-9-e-r-s c-o-m-p-e-n-s-a-t-i-o-n. T-h-e-r-e-f-o-r-e i-t s-t-i-l-l w-o-u-l-d h-a-v-e b-e-e-n a t-r-a-d-e.http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2364444Sound it out. [/quote]Sooooooooooooooooo...I guess its just all a coincidence that Lloyd was A. a restricted free agent, and that B. the deal to acquire him was made on March 11(check the date of your own link), the start of, you guessed it, Free Agency. Oh, you can also find this on NFL.com's F-R-E-E-A-G-E-N-C-Y page

but I think I already made my point with A and B, that was just overkill, for that, I apologize. Those dashes were pretty clever though, color me impressed.

 

He wasn't signed as a restricted free agent. You know why? Cause the most important term of signing a restricted free agent was not met, LLOYD NEVER GOT AN OFFICIAL CONTRACT OFFER FROM THE REDSKINS. He was traded.Now, tell me if I'm wrong... but during restricted free agency, the original team gives a qualifying offer, you're supposed to send an offer, let the team match it, and then compensate them if the 49ers gave him a qualifying offer.Now, since Brandon Lloyd wasn't given a contract offer and was instead traded and then given an extension, he wasn't a player that was signed during free agency.Catch my drift or was it too complicated to understand? It's how Mike Nolan puts it though. "It's a strange thing to be [ranked] 32nd on both sides of the ball and still have guys after your players."

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Aug 24 2006, 05:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He wasn't signed as a restricted free agent. You know why? Cause the most important term of signing a restricted free agent was not met, LLOYD NEVER GOT AN OFFICIAL CONTRACT OFFER FROM THE REDSKINS. He was traded.Now, tell me if I'm wrong... but during restricted free agency, the original team gives a qualifying offer, you're supposed to send an offer, let the team match it, and then compensate them if the 49ers gave him a qualifying offer.Now, since Brandon Lloyd wasn't given a contract offer and was instead traded and then given an extension, he wasn't a player that was signed during free agency.Catch my drift or was it too complicated to understand? It's how Mike Nolan puts it though. "It's a strange thing to be [ranked] 32nd on both sides of the ball and still have guys after your players."</div>Actually, I don't really know what was the point of all this, because I was never disputed the manner in which he was acquired, my only point was, that he was a free agent. Signing and accepting offer sheets are formalities that teams can choose forgo if they desire. Regardless of the method in which he was signed, it is very obvious that his acquisition came as a result of free agency. Think about it, how else was San Fran able to receive "compensation" for a player who had already played out their contract?

 

He was traded for you blindsided moron. Learn things about your team.

 

I'm going to quote a bio from his personal site:<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Joining the Redskins via trade in March 2006, Brandon looks to continue his strong play after establishing career-highs in every major offensive category in 2005.</div>http://www.blloyd.com/bio.phpYou don't trade for a RFA, you simply offer a contract. Seriously, how do you trade for a FA? Regardless being a UFA or RFA, they do not need to be traded for, just offered a contract and they choose to sign or not sign. When you can learn about the NFL systems, please post back when you make sense.

 

There was one winner in this trade IMO:Atlanta Yeah, all of you commenting on his attitude - He never became a huge problem until this offseason...and it was all part of him wanting to get traded so it was rightfully so.Duckett is overrated IMO, the Skins had enough depth at back...and I don't know about the 4th rounder

 

<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (His Greatness @ Aug 24 2006, 09:35 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>There was one winner in this trade IMO:Atlanta Yeah, all of you commenting on his attitude - He never became a huge problem until this offseason...and it was all part of him wanting to get traded so it was rightfully so.Duckett is overrated IMO, the Skins had enough depth at back...and I don't know about the 4th rounder </div>We have enough depth? :LMAO: Betts is one man, where else do you see a potential backup RB in our lineup?