Zombie The Next Siakam? Don't Sleep On Zach Collins.

every year I say that I'm not good at translating college talent to the NBA. And I don't spend much time looking at scouting videos. I don't know who would be the best choice at 11. I do know after the last 12 years I don't want Portland to draft a 6' combo guard. Other than that exclusion, it would be nice if it was a wing that shoots well from the perimeter

 

It was a big swing and hindsight is 20/20, but let's not act like that is not arguably the WORST, most lopsided trade in NBA history. SGA was throw in on that trade.

 

I'm not sure what you're saying, but it wasn't the worst trade...that's nuts

* Warriors trade Robert Parish and Kevin McHale for Joe Barry Carroll
* Nets trade 3 unprotected 1st's (Tatum-Brown) for KG & Pierce
* Bucks trade Dirk Novitski for Robert Traylor
* 76ers trade Wilt for Jerry Chambers and Darrall Imhoff
* Sonics trade Scottie Pippen for Olden Polynice and a pick

when OKC traded PG13, he was 29 and a 6-time all-star, a five time all-NBA selection, and a 4-time all-defense selection. SGA wasn't a throw-in either. He was the 'young prospect teams like OKC demand, and, he was required salary filler added to Gallinari making it a legal trade

yeah, just about all these are judged from hindsight, but that's the critical test of time

 

first off, you may have missed my point. What I was saying, mainly, is that OKC has played the tanking game like most teams. And in this case, tank is just the handy term for having a shit record and getting top draft picks because of it

and I never said that Presti has been perfect; he's fucked up several times. It's just that his successes have been pretty spectacular

 

This

 

Thunder with George and Westbrook and a Buch of really good role players never won more than 49 games which is respectful but not outstanding. They have numerous Allstars, DPOY, MVP....Carmello Anthony, Chris Paul, Adams,Jeremy Grant etc. They were loaded during that period and couldnt win it all. Which is difficult to do, It not like they didnt have talent. To me what differentiates a great front office and team are those that take that next step. Boston, GS etc. Portland had great records and made it to two finals they lost but couldnt take the next step, they were close with excellent talent but just not good enough to beat Detroit and MJ. Then they blew the lead against lakers.....

 

lol, sorry no. Dude was a late lotto pick coming off an impressive rookie season as a 20 year old where he started 73 games and played all 82. Dude was much more of a sure thing then any of the picks.

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SGA leads the league in FGA @ 21.8 per game. he took 30 plus shots last game.
He has the green light to shoot when ever and is effective, maybe let him take majority of the shots.
Man, if we allowed Shae to go put and average 22 shots a game I bet his shopping would improve big time over the season.

 

autocorrect on a typo or are you pining for him to up his fashion game?

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There were 5 1sts in that trade. I don't care what season he came off of, that was a throw in.

 

5 1sts, an MVP, and possibly a championship. It is definitely one of the worst trades if not the worst. Paul George has done nothing since and they're in a championship series because of that trade. And say whatever you want, any time you have 5 1st round picks (unprecedented amount of 1st round picks in a trade since the rule change), the player is the throw in.

 

I think you're conflating perspectives. There is the OKC perspective and the LAC perspective. The result for LAC wasn't the "worst ever in NBA history"...that's nonsense. I listed 5 trades that were worse. The result for OKC was great for sure, but a large part of that was their draft acumen in 2022 when they took Jalen Williams at 12. The year before, when they took Tre Mann at 18, not much acumen

yeah, LAC gave up SGA and a washed Gallinari for PG13; that was really lopsided considering George's health. But, when PG13 was healthy he averaged 23-7-5 for the Clips in nearly 190 games; that's not nothing

But it wasn't some incredible multiple top-5 pick haul they gave away like Brooklyn did for KG/Pierce. The picks were #18 - #12 - #18 - #26, with the 2026 to be determined. So far only one lottery pick and that was the 12th pick. There is no guarantee at all that LAC would have taken Jalen William like OKC did; they could have taken Ochai Agbaji, AJ Griffin or Tari Eason. Certainly there was opportunity cost but that can be a really iffy calculation, especially for non-lottery picks

 

You're welcome to stand by your ridiculous take, no skin off my back. Dude was a lotto pick & then as a 20 year old had a great rookie year starting all year for a playoff team. Teams don't just throw in players like that.

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We'd be PISSED as fans if we traded away 5 1st round picks for this:

 

Teams accumulate picks in hopes that one of them becomes the level of player Shai is. Dude is a Dame/Clyde/Bill level of all time franchise player.

Of course the Clipper fans are pissed about that trade, but they're hung not up on the picks. They traded away the next big thing and some sidekicks for an older broken down star.

Why keep digging away at this hole you're in?

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I'm not digging a hole just because you disagree. If we gave up a player like Shai, 5 1st round picks, and got back broken down ass Paul George only for us to lose in the playoffs,

WE'd be pissed... Especially after seeing Shai win MVP. Bro what are you talking about right now?

 

I was responding to what you wrote & I quoted silly. Now you’re moving the goal posts. I certainly don’t disagree with the latest stuff

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Why is this thread still a thing haha

 

Would anyone trade Ayton for Collins and fillers? I always liked his grit.
He and Clingan could be one hell of a defensive duo.

not sure why or if SA would do it, but if we could bring him back at a reasonable price, id do it.

A guy like him and a knock down shooter or two and we would be really close to contending with the assumed/expected growth of our youth.