Religion Mid East Religious War, Now with added USA Involvement!

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    Here is an Isreali streamer talking to an IRGC active soldier.

    I found it interesting and strange. I highly recommend viewing this interaction amd the comment section (which is direct and has nothing to do with the U.S).

     
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    Just some recent hours update, Israeli hospital in the south (Soroka) was directly hit in recent barrage.

    Some opinons:
    1. Israelis will say this is blatant attack on civilians.
    2. Pro Iran will say it was a place harbouring IDF soldiers and legitimate target.
    3. Americans will say either of the two:
    If you Maga - lets wipe them out.
    If you not Maga - stop sending my tax money for a war not mine.

    Preety sure covered most angles for you guys.. hopefully no need to further debate :)
     
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    Somewhat… yes.
     
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    Iran claims hospital harboring IDF. Exactly what Israel says when bombing hospitals in Gaza. No idea if either statement is correct. Probably both incorrect.
     
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    I gotta say it is a nice item for clicks...
    but it is the same as saying "this guy was against selling arms to Germany in 1939, but ok with it in 1975".
    Iran was a close ally to the USA and ISRAEL before the Ayatollahs revolution.
    All I see is someone being consistent against a zealot fanatic regime..
     
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    As reported in The New York Times in 1991, "continuing allegations that Reagan campaign officials made a deal with the Iranian Government of Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini in the fall of 1980" led to "limited investigations". However "limited", those investigations established that "Soon after taking office in 1981, the Reagan Administration secretly and abruptly changed United States policy." Secret Israeli arms sales and shipments to Iran began in that year, even as, in public, "the Reagan Administration" presented a different face, and "aggressively promoted a public campaign [...] to stop worldwide transfers of military goods to Iran". The New York Times explains: "Iran at that time was in dire need of arms and spare parts for its American-made arsenal to defend itself against Iraq, which had attacked it in September 1980", while "Israel [a US ally] was interested in keeping the war between Iran and Iraq going to ensure that these two potential enemies remained preoccupied with each other". Major General Avraham Tamir, a high-ranking Israeli Defense Ministry official in 1981, said there was an "oral agreement" to allow the sale of "spare parts" to Iran. This was based on an "understanding" with Secretary of State Alexander Haig (which a Haig adviser denied). This account was confirmed by a former senior US diplomat with a few modifications. The diplomat claimed that "[Ariel] Sharon violated it, and Haig backed away". A former "high-level" Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) official who saw reports of arms sales to Iran by Israel in the early 1980s estimated that the total was about $2 billion a year—but also said, "The degree to which it was sanctioned I don't know."[29]

    Iran–Contra affair

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iran–Contra_affair
     
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    Okay, so this proves what I am saying consistently: People/Nations are doing things because for their intrest in it. Not morals.
    The intrest according to the provided article is a way to make both Iraq and Iran clash comtinue so they won't turn their efforts of aggression outside..
    Well.. in reality - those intrests seem legit to me as once the Iraqi Iran was over - suddenly Israel became the middle east scapegoat..
     
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    The flood gates have opened when CNN is housing these conversations...



    And even Matthew is speaking truth.

     
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    At the moment, MAGA is rather bitterly divided, some want to wipe them out, the others don't want any distractions from the important business of wiping out certain groups here in the USA.

    Once Trump gets off the fence, the entirety of MAGA will align behind whatever he happens to fart out.

    barfo
     
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    Not sure what is worse in international crisis. Smart people who are wrong, like Robert McNamara and Condoleezza Rice, or totally clueless people selected to look good on Fox.
     
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    Saying this for years
    It'll be released in conjunction with his new healthcare plan.
     
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    I am not sure how productive it is to add these type of tweets. Why?
    1. I do not know this twitter person but - a. It appears he is highly a pro-palestine poster. Supporting Al Jazeera.
    b. He said a lot of things (mainly propaganda slogans) but didn't provide any source or evidence.

    Sly - can you crossfind his attached video? Do you know the date of this explosion?

    1. Israel as a fact does not 'bomb children tents in tents Gaza'. This post for sure is no evidence for such claim.

    2. I can say from the video shown you can see it is a precise missile targeting a tunnel (you can see the amount of dirt rising) - meaning colateral damage of nearby people is minimal.
    After viewing a lot of Israeli building being hit recently - I can defintly see it is not a 'rocket/missile' intended to bomb and cause havoc. If that was the case you could just easily use similar explosives and blow people left and right...

    By posting these types of tweets, what you essentialy do is promote hate based on chants and biased reporting that has nothing to do with reality..

    Meanwhile I looked the video up..
    It is from April 19th..
    ()

    so credibility of post immediatly turns zero as his whole point was to show how Israel is so called distracting the world from Gaza..

    But - the media game is lost beacause it is already shared like a virus causing false narratives cementing..
    :(
     
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