Summer "BIG Swing" trade

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  1. Samuel

    Samuel James “Hollywood” Robinson

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    derrick white has that gp2 championship prestige attached to him—not worth paying for. league should wait out until later in the summer.
     
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    No way we make a big splashy move with the team for sale.

    I mean if we got gifted Doncic or a minor trade than sure, but in general the Blazers won't do a move that has significant risk of going bad. Need some risk for big moves.

    Sounds like we might have a new owner by the trade deadline so that is the time we could see moves. Also will give us more clarity on how close our youth is. Youth progress more maybe we're buyers. Youth disappoints maybe we sell for picks.
     
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    It always feels a little weird to 'steal" info from one board to pass to another, but the poster from RealGM who had previously mentioned our Deni interest before landing him had these little tidbits the other day:

    Someone asked: Is there a realistic timeline to know if this potential deal has passed? (ie - does it need to happen prior to the draft because '25 picks are involved?)

    Speculate away!
     
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    To speculate, going team by team,

    OKC: Makes absolutely no sense.

    Hou: Possibility

    LAL: Possibility

    Den: Maybe?

    LAC: Maybe?

    Min: Doesn't make tons of sense, but could be interesting Ant Squared backcourt.

    GSW: Doesn't make sense

    Mem: Possibility

    Sac: Doesn't make sense with Lavine there

    Dal: Already rumored interest

    Pho: Not much sense with Booker and Beal

    SAS: With Fox, Castle and potentially Harper, makes no sense.

    NOP: Possibility

    Utah: Can't really see it with Sexton there. But maybe they're serious about trying to take a step forward, and view him and Lauri as a good pairing?
     
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    Shocked how? I'm going to assume that we're positively surprised, unless the RealGM board is completely unlike this one.

    So... it has to be a Western team that doesn't try to screw over everyone. So not the Clippers (who have a history of fleecing us). Sacramento? I mean, they're always trading away good guards for not-as-good guards. Phoenix is always a possibility, but everything's on hold for the Durant trade. Utah doesn't seem likely. I hope to God it's not the Lakers as I don't like any of their players, but don't they want to improve their defense? The Pelicans probably aren't in a hurry to take another undersized SG off our hands... Minnesota's a distant possibility (especially as they've been after Durant but have been shot down) as they might feel that (a) they need shooters around Ant and (b) their defense can compensate for his flaws. But the thing is, they don't really have the salaries. They're not giving up McDaniels and Reid and Randle are FAs.

    So that means we cycle back to Sacramento. But it doesn't really make sense for them as they have THREE SGs (LaVine, DeRozan and Monk) and no real PG. Do they think Anfernee is a good enough PG? A backcourt of Simons and LaVine would be terrible.

    So I give up.
     
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    andalusian Season - Restarted

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    Gotta be Dallas, imho
     
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    I agree that makes the most sense, but it's pretty much impossible to construct a 3-going-out-2-coming-back trade with their salaries. This works, but why would we do it?
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    Especially not with anything that would make us surprised at his value. You can get there with meh pieces, but PJ Washington as the centerpiece doesn't blow you away.

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    Unless we're getting the Lakers 29 pick, and an unprotected Mavs pick as well.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Those are the two teams that make the most sense to me. But I think Houston would be the surprising one.

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    Waive FVV because his last year is a club option.
     
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    Pretty sure FVV's option would have to be picked up to be included in the deal.
     
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    Can't trade FVV and then decline his club option. They would have to fully guarantee FVV's contract prior to the trade.
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    Well shoot..... worth a try.
     
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    Plus I imagine any interest in bringing Simons in would have to have Green going out.
    But doubt much happens on their front until KD is moved.
     
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    But maybe they will be willing to part with them for an Affernee Simons trade?

     
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    Would we be "shocked" at the low value or high value we get back?
     
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    Natebishop3 Don't tread on me!

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    I thought since the finals are still going on, we're still in the 2024-2025 season so technically his contract could be traded with the team option, no?

    I thought the main impetus for the Orlando/Memphis trade happening so soon was because they could do the current season salaries.
     
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    You can use the salaries, but if a player has an option or a non-guarantee, that needs to be worked out. They closed that loophole. Otherwise teams would use those team options almost like pure cap space, where a team could dump a salary, and then not pick up the option.
     
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    Seems to be implied shocked at good value. With the way everyone expects he has no value.
     
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    Teams can trade players soon as their season is over. However they can't trade players who's contract expires (or has the option to be expiring via a team/player option). The players have to have guaranteed salary in the following season.

    Until July 1, we are in a spot where teams can use either the '24-'25 salary or the '25-26 salary.

    The CBA actually says that the lowest guaranteed amount is used for outgoing salary matching purposes. So for someone like Duncan Robinson (who's contract is ~50% guaranteed) counts for ~$10M outgoing for the Heats matching calculations... but counts as ~$20M for the other team's incoming calculations. (Heat can unilaterally increase the guaranteed amount up-to the $20M as needed to get a trade completed).

    Regarding the Orlando/Memphis trade, the salaries are close enough where matching contracts should not be an issue on when the trade was executed. I think the issue was that with Suggs & Wagners salary increases - Orlando will be over the 1st tax apron (constraining trade deals)
     
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