Religion Mid East Religious War, Now with added USA Involvement!

She is beautiful. I was always into Natalie Portman.

 

Wow, didn't realize she was born in Jerusalem

 

I agree all current leaders (Bibi, Trump, Kahmenay) are all the wrong people to be in position.
However I am referring to how trendy it is today to just promote extreme views and hate across different views.
I just saw a meme about how people will be happy if Florida is removed from US map, and comments replying this should be California... Etc..
The point is - all social media memes, comments that lead to reinforcing of certain narrative just lead to people being entranched in certain core beliefs.. and once those set it - the people are at a point of almost no return.
The US today is probably as divided as it has ever been IMO - and that saddens me..
However - we live in a world it so difficult to gather people under same goals.. so I an left with the question of what glues/binds people together these days?
The hate/frustration/fear towards opposing views?
The love/happiness/shared values and views that are in place despite those?
Dunno..
As someone in my early forties, I am a bit nostalgic to times of dial up modem and group gathering to discuss politics.. than twitter/truth/x/tik tok platforms that took echo chambers to whole new levels..

 

One of the biggest problems in the US has been right wing talk radio. Trump's base didn't come from the internet. They were radicalized (or at least primed) largely by Rush Limbaugh and the like.

*Edit* The internet didn't prevent the US from having a quality free education system through college or quality universal health care.

These problems are deeper than echo chambers on the internet.

 

He Blames Biden and his base parrots it to no end.

 

Good idea. You support trump, theres no good conversations to have with trump supporters since they dont care about humans.

 

The reality is, there is no way that there's going to be regime change in Iran unless the people want to revolt. The US and Israel dropping bombs on Iran is far more likely to make the people support their leadership against the US and Israel.

You can't start a revolution in a country by dropping bombs on it.

 

And you make a lot of Islamic extremists outside of Iran that we aren't targeting into allies of Iran.

 

Absolutely. If you wanted to hurt the American position in Iran, bombing them was probably the right call.

 

IMO, the Iranian people will over throw the clerics and islamist Sharia law. The people want freedom form that kind of oppression. There needs to be more support for the Iranian people in here.

 

I support the Iranian people. That's why I don't think we should be dropping bombs on Iran.

 

Bombs were not dropping on 'Iran'.
If that was the case you would have seen videos of ruined cities and dead bodies.
They were dropping on IRGC facilities.
Which in fact - is in favour of the Iraninan people opposing the IRGC.
What do you think happend in Lebanon? Did Israel bomb 'Lebanon'? Or did it do the best they can to hit Hizballah facilities?
If you ask Lebanese people today if they are glad Hizballa is no longer the force it used to be - they are thrilled about it and happy the Lebanese gov is finally able to rule in the south with the Lebanese army.
This can translate very simillarly to Iran.
The IRGC losing its grip, finance, powers - can lead to Iranian people gaining control of their own.

 

Bombing a country will not win the population over to your side. It's far more likely to push them away from you and toward their current leadership.

 

You seem to not get what I am saying.
Even Iranians know their COUNTRY was not bombed. The IRGC was.
In addition, I advise sooner than later to shake off the western mentalitly of 'winning the population'.
Globally speaking - winning population does not mean anything. Ruling populations does.
In Jordan - the people are being ruled by a minority Kingdom.
In Egypt - the ruler is not what most population want.
In Isreal - the ruler is around 60-40 in deficit in popularity and still rules.
You can almost say the same about the US where the ruler is not the most popular person for the job. (If we count # votes vs electorals).

Being popular or accepted by the population is good and nice. But is by no mean a prerequisite for ruling.

I dont care what iraninas think of Israel, I dont need them to like me or my country.
I need their leaders to not threaten me with nukes and build terror bases on my borders and within.
I do hope this view changes and that is by hoping the IRGC is replaced by non-religious fanatics. (And I wish the same for Israel who is recently growing in religious zealotness).
You know why religious conflicts rise? Cause it is a tool by rulers to control the mobs (this popularity you speak of).
Once people change thier OS and are able to be moved not by hate or blind empty slogans, then perhaps people will learn to live and prosper side by side.
But you just cant apply 'A' rules (values, perceptions, views) on reality 'B' and expect it to translate the way you think.

 

I would also argue, and apolgies as this can be harsh analogy - that your comment can translate and is not that much different than telling a women who is being gaslighted by her spouse that she should stay with him because if she leaves him he will just get madder and might hurt her.. no. There is no winning over - there is just taking care of yourself.
If so by happens the guy actually decides to go to therapy and realises his wrongdoings and able to change? That is awsome (and this is where I am hoping Iran could be right now). But that is defenitly not the reason or goal for this whole current clashing.