Official Jerami Grant trade rumors/ideas thread

At that point though, Lebron surely retires right?

 

I would much rather have Hachimura who does fill a need as a spark plug scorer off the bench and also a one year deal. Knecht is alright and still young, although I wouldn’t consider him an asset coming back, I’d consider him a wash swapping him for Grant.

Camara/Knetch/Rupert
Avdija/Rui/Murray

I do like that core of wings if only for just this year.

 

If there is a Lakers deal in place, in my mind Dalton Knetch still has to be part of the deal.

He still has three cheap years left on his deal and we know he has one distinct skill in being able to light it up. Whether or not you think he won’t fit the defensive construction or not shouldn’t matter, with three years left, you figure out if you can mask his liability.

Then whether or not we can or not will be the reason he is or isn’t here when his rookie deal expires.

 

Blazers had a golden opportunity to get off Grant deal last summer. Grant had a very productive year. Botched opportunity.

But now after last season Geant was a mediocre backup on a lottery team. Every franchise is concerned about tax aprons. Guys just don't have any value on those big contracts with such mediocre performance.

Hopefully Blazers are telling Grant group he needs to find a trade or be willing to come off the bench.

 

No, he'll cash in his 50 million. All bets are off for next summer though. I could see the Lakers unwilling to give him a max level deal. They 100% first will do anything Luka wants until he resigns.

First time in his career LeBron hasn't been the star player of a franchise.

 

Think the hope is just to get worthless players like Vincent and Kleber so the Blazers can get out of Grant contract.

Of course Knecht or a pick swap would be great. But when the alternative is the Blazers being stuck with Grant for 3 more years - status quo is the worse option.

 

Yeah - I think if the Lakers or anyone were offering a deal for Grant it would've been done at the draft or last night.

I fully expect to see Grant on the Blazers opening night.

 

If we were prepared to give Milwaukee one of its picks back, Grant could be a Buck tomorrow.

 

Just want to point out Deni and Rui had two seasons together - it didn't seem like they were able to Gel well or create positive chemistry - and I consider Deni to be very easy to Gel with..
All in all - just pointing I would take Rui with a grain of salt and low expectations..

 

repeating BS a million times doesn't make it any more true it just makes you look more and more ridiculous. Post re-signing a monster of an escalating deal with the PTB Grant became more or less untradable. Dude had a mediocre season last year with 4 more years left on his deal. That season (when he was 29) was the 3rd straight season his stats went down & he was never much more then an okay starter in the first place. There is no good reason to think any team would have an interest in adding a declining mediocre player on the wrong side of 3o who's salary takes up 20% of the cap except to offload a similarly terrible longterm contract or unless Portland included serious draft capitol to make him go away

https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/grantje01.html

STOMP

 

That would be malpractice. I'm all for trading Grant to get salary relief - but theres no way its worth giving up first round pick value or swaps or a portion of that.

Next summer Grant will be a year away from an expiring contract and we have no concerns of hitting the luxury tax or any 1st/2nd apron anytime soon. Also need to see what happens with Jrue - possible we flip him by next year. We're now locked into taking on $0 next season from Ayton $35 million deal so thats space as well.

Plus the cap has been going up 10% every year, and will continue to do so with the new TV deal, so Grants deal has declined as a portion of the cap every season.

 

Ironically, I think expanding his skills and role has been bad for Grant's value. If he could go back to regarding himself as what he was in Denver, a 5th man fill-in-the-gaps type, he'd have a lot more value. But he thinks the ball should be in his hands with time to create, and nobody but him wants that.

 

I agree. He is actually better at creating his own shot than I thought he would be when they first got him. And at times, I don't mind him doing it, but he did it way too often.

The way I interpreted his exit interview, it sounded like he was asked to be more of a 3 and D type player, which makes sense with Deni on the floor. If he doesn't like it, too bad. Maybe if he came off the bench, he could create a little more when playing with the 2nd unit.

 

Probably stretch grant now.....Or Trade him to Milwaukee

 

unlike Simons and Ayton, Grant actually fits into the apparent vision and direction of the roster: length and no weak links on defense

in fact, the 2023-24 Grant would be really good in the rotation; the 2024-25 Grant...not so much. In his first 2 seasons with Portland, Grant shot over 40% on three's and posted a TS% somewhere around .585-.590. And while he's not a lockdown defender, he's serviceable and versatile. His rebounding weakness won't be as much of an issue on next year's roster

the question is, can the 2023-24 Grant show up next season?

 

The thing I don't like about Grant is that he's sticky - that is, he holds onto the ball. I don't think he's selfish, I just don't think he reads the game fast enough. That makes him totally out of step with what we're trying to do. Ironically, the much-maligned Kris Murray seems better at moving the ball. I want Grant GONE.

 

Good question. I think if his agent is unsuccessful in finding him a home that he prefers (and the Blazers agree to) maybe he will
be content with doing whatever is best for the team. I agree he would fit in with Deni and Tou in a 3 forward rotation....if he accepted the role.

 

If he accepted a bench roll until we could trade him I’d be good with Grant off the bench. I wonder if he’d be more accepting of the roll if they promised to get him to a winner when they could.

 

ok....made me curious, so:

* touches/game: Simons 65.1...Avdija 64.5...Scoot 59.8...Sharpe 52.2...Camara 44.2...Grant 41.0...Banton 37.8...Thybulle 29.9

* avg sec/touch: Scoot...4.52...Simons 4.49...Banton 3.78...Sharpe 3.42...Avdija 3.07...Grant 2.55...Camara 1.99...Thybulle 1.94

* avg dribbles/touch: Scoot 4.01...Simons 4.00...Banton 2.94...Sharpe 2.86...Avdija 2.25...Grant 1.74...Thybulle 1.33...Camara 1.14

* avg time with ball/game: Simons 292.3 sec...Scoot 270.3...Avdija 198.0...Sharpe 178.5...Banton 142.9...Grant 104.6...Camara 88.0...Thybulle 58.0

so, what I'm seeing is that Grant was 3rd (by only 18 sec/game) in average minutes; but he was 6th in average touches, average sec/touch, avg dribbles/touch, and in total avg time of possession. I'm not seeing the 'stickiness' you're seeing

and of course, there's one other average stat that adds some critical context:

* points/touch: Sharpe .355...Grant .352...Simons .296...Avdija .262...Camara .256...Thybulle .251...Banton .221...Scoot .212

that last stat kind of adds some whoa! context about Sharpe and Grant. Obviously, that doesn't account for playmaking; running the offense. Assists and turnovers need to be factored in somewhere. I'm not sure what would be the best way

by the way, in points/touch, Grant led the team in 2023-24, by a wide margin, at 4.00 points; Sharpe was 2nd at 3.27

Last season, in spot-up plays, Grant led the team in points/play and percentile ranking. That was 35% of his offense. So that's an argument for him allowing the team to create his offense rather than him trying to create it himself

in other words, as bad as Grant seemed last season, in some ways he was still really effective. And that was even more true in 2023-24

I get it, Grant became toxic to a lot of fans Blazer entertainment value. Simons and Ayton were toxic for me for at least 2 years