Reggie Bush was the second player taken in this past April?s draft. He has since signed a 54 million dollar contract. The Saints knew they had Duce McCallister on the roster at the time of the draft. Many people have refered to bush as a ?back-up? to Deuce McCallister. That statement makes absolutely no sense at all. Bush is a situational player. He shared time at USC with LenDale White as well. Reggie bush is a special football player. There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that he will get a minimum of 12-15 carries per game. He will also catch a minimum of 5 passes per game. If this was not the Saints plan, they would have never selected him. He?d probably be a New York Jet. Remember one thing about Bush, he is a versatile player. He will line up at running back, wide receiver, and also in the slot. I immagine at time he will line up at receiver, and run a reverse. He will be used in a very similar way (for those of you old enough to remember) that former Cleveland Browns star Eric Metcalf was. Metcalf though did not have have the talent or potential Bush has. Based on the numbers I spoke of earlier and through the use of simple math this is what I feel can be expected from Bush this season.--12 carries per game @ 4.5 yards per carry=54 rushing yards per game X 16 games=864 rushing yards.--5 receptions per game @ 8.5 yards per catch=42.5 receiving yards per game X 16 games=680 rec. yards--864 + 680=1,544 total yards--12 carries per game X 16 games=192 total carries--5 receptions per game X 16 games=80 total receptions--192 carries + 80 receptions = 272 total touches (this does not include punt returns)--1 touchdown every 18 touches would equate to 15 total touchdownsThese numbers would still allow Duce McCallister to get 20 carries per game, and Drew Brees would be able to throw the ball 25 times.
First of all, 4.5 yards per carry and 8.5 yards per reception for a runningback are not easy numbers to come by. LaDainian Tomlinson is considered one of the best Runningbacks in the league and he has only averaged 4.5 yards per carry or more twice in his career and he has never averaged 8.5 per reception. What makes you think that Reggie Bush is capable of those numbers per touch in his rookie season, in Tomlinson's rookie season he only averaged 3.6 per carry and 6.2 per reception. Second of all, 80 receptions is no guarantee either, LaDainian Tomlinson only has one season with more then 80 receptions and Brian Westbrook, who is widely regarded as one of the leagues best Recieving Runningbacks, has never accomplished that feat. Not to mention you are discounting the fact that Deuce McAlister will be their prime Redzone Runningback because of his ability to pound the ball between the tackles so there is little chance that Bush will get 15 Touchdowns. Your expectations of Reggie Bush are plainly, unreasonable, at this point in time. Dont get me wrong, Reggie Bush is an amazing talent and one day very well could be able to dominate this league in the way that LT has during his career, but things are not going to come easy for him. He has to learn when it is right to cut back and when he needs to drop his shoulders and use his pure strength to gain that extra yard, and until he does that is no more then that situational runningback in this league.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Sep 4 2006, 04:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>First of all, 4.5 yards per carry and 8.5 yards per reception for a runningback are not easy numbers to come by. LaDainian Tomlinson is considered one of the best Runningbacks in the league and he has only averaged 4.5 yards per carry or more twice in his career and he has never averaged 8.5 per reception. What makes you think that Reggie Bush is capable of those numbers per touch in his rookie season, in Tomlinson's rookie season he only averaged 3.6 per carry and 6.2 per reception. Second of all, 80 receptions is no guarantee either, LaDainian Tomlinson only has one season with more then 80 receptions and Brian Westbrook, who is widely regarded as one of the leagues best Recieving Runningbacks, has never accomplished that feat. Not to mention you are discounting the fact that Deuce McAlister will be their prime Redzone Runningback because of his ability to pound the ball between the tackles so there is little chance that Bush will get 15 Touchdowns. Your expectations of Reggie Bush are plainly, unreasonable, at this point in time. Dont get me wrong, Reggie Bush is an amazing talent and one day very well could be able to dominate this league in the way that LT has during his career, but things are not going to come easy for him. He has to learn when it is right to cut back and when he needs to drop his shoulders and use his pure strength to gain that extra yard, and until he does that is no more then that situational runningback in this league.</div>Agreed completely. That is all accurate and true, but I don't think he can be the next LT. Bush has a problem with shaking off defenders and will usually be taken down on first contact.
If Bush had 80 receptions, he's be the team's leading receiver. Not likely.If he had 192 carries, he'd be the team's leading rusher. Again, not likely. It's especially not likely that he'd lead in both categories.I don't think you fully understand how much 15 attempts a game is. Especially for a team as bad as the Saints. Take our team last year for example. We were pathetic. Chris Brown was our primary back w/no significant #2 like NO will, but because we were playing from behind all the time, he couldn't get the carries he needed and didn't even get 15 carries a game. NO will be in a similar situation this year. I'd be surprised if Bush averages any more than 10 carries a game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (jeefunk @ Sep 5 2006, 08:58 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>If Bush had 80 receptions, he's be the team's leading receiver. Not likely.If he had 192 carries, he'd be the team's leading rusher. Again, not likely. It's especially not likely that he'd lead in both categories.I don't think you fully understand how much 15 attempts a game is. Especially for a team as bad as the Saints. Take our team last year for example. We were pathetic. Chris Brown was our primary back w/no significant #2 like NO will, but because we were playing from behind all the time, he couldn't get the carries he needed and didn't even get 15 carries a game. NO will be in a similar situation this year. I'd be surprised if Bush averages any more than 10 carries a game.</div>I believe I said 12 rushing attemps per game, and McCallister will still get 20 per game. Comparing Tomlinson receiving stats to Bush's are not a fair comparison. Tomlinson is the featured back in San Diego. Bush will be split out wide as a Receiver much of the time, especially now that Stallworth is gone. So his 8.5 yards per reception is very likely. Probably 2/3 of his receptions will be when he is spit out wide. 8.5 is about in the middle of what a RB and a WR average per catch. His position is right about in the middle as well. His rushing average will be high, because he's won't be a between the tackles runner. Expect him to have alot of 20+yard runs. Now reconsider my projections.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Street @ Sep 4 2006, 01:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wait, so your saying that he is going to get 80 receptions this season? WOW</div>Lol, well since they cut Hass and sold Stallworth he might have to line up as the number 2 WR this season....But even then he's not getting 5 receptions a game.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (darnik44 @ Sep 5 2006, 02:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Now reconsider my projections.</div>No.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (darnik44 @ Sep 5 2006, 10:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I believe I said 12 rushing attemps per game, and McCallister will still get 20 per game. Comparing Tomlinson receiving stats to Bush's are not a fair comparison. Tomlinson is the featured back in San Diego. Bush will be split out wide as a Receiver much of the time, especially now that Stallworth is gone. So his 8.5 yards per reception is very likely. Probably 2/3 of his receptions will be when he is spit out wide. 8.5 is about in the middle of what a RB and a WR average per catch. His position is right about in the middle as well. His rushing average will be high, because he's won't be a between the tackles runner. Expect him to have alot of 20+yard runs. Now reconsider my projections.</div>Even so, my point was that only 15 Players in the League last season had 80 receptions. Only one of those players were not a Wide Reciever and that was Antonio Gates. You aren't just asking Reggie Bush to be a legit #2 Reciever by saying he is going to have 80 receptions, you are asking him to be a Top 15 Reciever in the league on top of being in a Runningback by Committee.
I can imagine 1500 yards including returns if he's doing that.But not just with receptions and runs... at least for this year.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Sep 5 2006, 05:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I can imagine 1500 yards including returns if he's doing that.But not just with receptions and runs... at least for this year.</div>That I can see.BUT REGGIE BUSH IS NOT A WIDE RECIEVER.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Sep 5 2006, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He did go out for slot at USC I believe. He's got great hands for a RB.</div>Yup he does it all, he has no weaknesses :thumbsup:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (david81 @ Sep 5 2006, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Sep 5 2006, 04:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He did go out for slot at USC I believe. He's got great hands for a RB.</div>Yup he does it all, he has no weaknesses :thumbsup:</div>Yea, he has no weakness. Coming from a retard like him, I won't expect much out of him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (darnik44 @ Sep 5 2006, 01:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I believe I said 12 rushing attemps per game, and McCallister will still get 20 per game. Comparing Tomlinson receiving stats to Bush's are not a fair comparison. Tomlinson is the featured back in San Diego. Bush will be split out wide as a Receiver much of the time, especially now that Stallworth is gone. So his 8.5 yards per reception is very likely. Probably 2/3 of his receptions will be when he is spit out wide. 8.5 is about in the middle of what a RB and a WR average per catch. His position is right about in the middle as well. His rushing average will be high, because he's won't be a between the tackles runner. Expect him to have alot of 20+yard runs. Now reconsider my projections.</div>My fault. You used 12 in your statistical breakdown, but in my defense, you said 12-15 in your little rave.Even 12 a game is a lot to ask of a guy who is playing #2, especially when he is trying to get snaps as a slot receiver, too. Look at it this way...most NFL games, there's what? 60 plays or so for each team? No offense to the Saints, but they're horrible this year (like my Titans, only moreso) and will be playing a lot of catchup this year and won't get the chance to run the ball as much as they'd like. Maybe if they were an elite team who would be leading early & often throughout the season, then MAYBE your little projections might have a CHANCE. But they aren't, so they won't. There's simply not enough carries for him to get that kind of production.
Your projections are a little high. Hell, Anthony Thomas lined up in the slot at Michigan and had great hands. Did he do that in the NFL? No. I'm not saying they won't use him in that position a couple of times per game, but he will not be the #2 receiving target on the team. I think he'll probably average about 10 carries a game. He'll probably average just under 4 ypc though.Will he be a bust? No. Will he be a god his rookie year? Hell no.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Sep 5 2006, 01:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (darnik44 @ Sep 5 2006, 10:05 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I believe I said 12 rushing attemps per game, and McCallister will still get 20 per game. Comparing Tomlinson receiving stats to Bush's are not a fair comparison. Tomlinson is the featured back in San Diego. Bush will be split out wide as a Receiver much of the time, especially now that Stallworth is gone. So his 8.5 yards per reception is very likely. Probably 2/3 of his receptions will be when he is spit out wide. 8.5 is about in the middle of what a RB and a WR average per catch. His position is right about in the middle as well. His rushing average will be high, because he's won't be a between the tackles runner. Expect him to have alot of 20+yard runs. Now reconsider my projections.</div>Even so, my point was that only 15 Players in the League last season had 80 receptions. Only one of those players were not a Wide Reciever and that was Antonio Gates. You aren't just asking Reggie Bush to be a legit #2 Reciever by saying he is going to have 80 receptions, you are asking him to be a Top 15 Reciever in the league on top of being in a Runningback by Committee.</div>He gotta earn that 54 million somehow
