Religion Mid East Religious War, Now with added USA Involvement!

Israeli settlers kill American in West Bank and attack CNN journalists.

These people do not share our values.

 

Doctors and nurses are fainting from hunger. In most famines people try to get out. No one can get out and food isn't going in. I am beyond words for shameful.

 

https://david-collier.com/the-truth-behind-the-viral-gaza-famine-photo/

Please. Bringing Betselem and Physician for human rights as sources for something is like saying Trump never lies.
May I remind you - there are billions of people aroung the world who are pro-palestine (when you take the muslim world into account). There is no way in hell that the social media platforms will ever convey anything other than pro-palestine narratives and propaganda. Its not a matter of quality or truth - its quantity and mass.
A drop of truth cannot wash away lies being reported over and over until set as 'true'..
The campaign of Gaza being starved did the trick.
In reality - the U.N forbids U.S/Israel aid from entering. Why is that?
Why Hamas has yet to release hostages?
Those questions no longer matter when we can show the world images of sick kids (that has nothing to do with famine) and set the narrative.
Now good luck proving this is wrong when you have a ratio of posters swarming the net. The voice of what is actualy going on there is just not enough to be heared across all these active sync narrative being injected to mass and social media..

 

Nice try buty only social media is S2.

 

Hamas by last Feb had realeased 25 live prisoners and 8 bodies. Since then more have been released so your statement is incorrect that they haven’t released hostages. They have in fact

 

I'm sorry but you are the one acting like Trump, @2Fluffy4U. Anything inconvenient becomes "fake news".

 

Accroding to your comment it would seem there is no difference between releasing some hostages to releasing All hostages?

 

The problem is these type of comments can be said the other way around. You call mine fake news and I call yours fake news.. (Al Jazeera, other Qatar backed media, social media, etc..)

The fact is - apperantly aiding Gaza is not simple.
Hamas wants to keep ruling.. any trucks entering are being taken by Hamas and then being used to keep them at ruling. They shoot their own people.
Hundreds of trucks are being entered yet the aid seems to not reach civilians. However - when you see footage of gaza mobs raiding trucks - it doesnt look like famine plagued Africa...it looks like regular mobs...(You can even witness obese people god forid)..
How can a society be categorically considered as being starved while majority of population is healthy?
Those images coming out - are categorically people with medical condtions being used to portray famine. Is that fake news?
Also - I do think condtions are not good in Gaza. It probably isnt best for a population to be living on basic produce..
But stop blaming Israel for it. Put your efforts on calling out Hamas as terrorists they are wanting to Genocide Israel and promote Sharia law, call them to release all hostages NOW - and let Palestinians rule their own with moderate leaders who can somewhat allign with western values (like Saudi Arabia etc)..

 

That's your definition not mine....I'll post my own thoughts on the situation. This is not about me, it's about war victims...try to keep up. According to your post, no hostages had been released...that's not true..that's why I commented. It's easy to verify. I'm not your adversary. I want all hostages to be released and all the bombs to stop. Pretty simple really.

 

I stand corrected with my English grammer.
You are correct.
What I meant and should have been written is:
"Why has Hamas have yet to release remaining hostages?"
Now resume debate

 

I realize English is not your first language, and your English is infinitely better than my Hebrew. But this is incoherent.

Al Jazeera something?
Also Gaza difficult, no argument.
Also Hamas bad, no argument.
Therefore Gaza is healthy?? Because they aren't acting like you think hungry people should?

When every reputable news agency, international relief organization, human rights group, fact finder reach the same conclusion I can accept it as basically correct. While Hamas undoubtedly makes situation worse, Israel is using famine to conquer Gaza. People are literally starving to death.

I realize Israelis feel under the gun. But they had sympathy of most of the world after October 7, as the US did after 9/11. And the Israeli leadership chose to take the lowest of low roads, starving children.

No excuse.

 

And Hamas is taking the high road..
As I have said numerous times here - the minute Hamas releases all hostages and bodies left in captivity - the war will end.
Why? Because only then no one will back Israel and reckon the fight should go on.

The world could have campaigned for the release of the hostages as step 1 unconditionally.
But for multiple reasons (geopoliticial reason) that is not the case.
The fact is there are people on both sides who wish for this conflict to continue..
In Israel - ben gvir and smotrich (mesiah ideologies) and Bibi (politicial and ideology).
In Palestinian party (Hamas - ideology, Qatar - middle east intrest, Iran - Ideology and intrests).
Most of the people - civilians on both sides want the conflict to end and for quiet and peace.
But as long as the world cant decide and promote a winner - the conflict will remain and keep growing.
Either Israel loses - and will eventually all jews/israelis will have to leave the area (free palestine from the river to the sea), or the Palestinians loses - and will have to learn to live with the fact they cant rule over Israel land, and learn to live side by side with it.
Take your pick and commit to it.

 

So fake news or not?

This seems to be a pattern: 1. Newspaper publishes Hamas propaganda as if its fact. 2. Millions of people read the story and become outraged. 3. Newspaper realizes its hamas propaganda and retracts or revises the story. 4. No one notices and its too late. 5. Repeat.

 

Not fake news at all. One boy has a medical condition. So you conclude no famine in Gaza.
Repeat.
No doubt some Jews in occupied Europe died of natural causes. Therefore no Holocaust.

I sure never in my wildest nightmare thought I would be making such a comparison.

 

The newspapper addmited of publishing a story not true. And yet you deny it as being fake news. I sure never in my wildest dreams nightmare thought I would be arguing with such clear evidence and still had to prove the point again and again.

That one boy was an entire article in NY times..
Narratives matter. Stories matter. Emotions provoked matter.
Facts? Not so much once the damage is done.

So on what information you do base your certain conclusion of famine in Gaza?

In auschwitz there was famine.
In Gaza there is hard time and basic-moderate produce.
The evidence is clear yet people choose not to see it. Just watch the video from my previous post.

Also - what is occupied Europe? Why did you use that terminology?