Official Jerami Grant trade rumors/ideas thread

Kind of agree with Rasta horseshit comment. Good players aren't so fragile that they are broken long term from these things.

Sure the Blazers can do small things well to help a little or delay a little a players development. The vast majority of players performance purely comes down to the individual player.

Jermaine O'Neal was stuck on the deep bench for years then was an all-star. I don't believe him getting PT at a young age on a crap team would've made his prime any better.

 

Hopefully Scoot and Sharpe don't need to go to another team before we find out they're good players.

There is no question that the skill is there. The physical ability is there.

If they aren't very productive players in the NBA then it's a mental thing. Development is a big part of that.

 

Now I do think it was stupid for the Blazers to waste assets and years on irrelevant vets as well as the stupid AytonGrantAnt big3.

But that set the Blazers roster back long term. I don't think it harmed Scoot or Sharpe individually.

Camara Deni Clingan developed great. Deni had to overcome being benched and he did so eventually forcing the Blazers to start him by being the best on the floor.

I hope Scoot Sharpe can do the same. There's been nothing preventing them from doing so.

 

Every teams going to have multiple players capable of starting at all positions. Scoot and Sharpe have had more of a runway here than they wouldve had on most teams in the league. They need to earn the starting spots.

Like are there even 5 teams in the NBA Scoot would've been a clear starter on?

 

That's a whole lot of hypothetical.

I'm simply saying I'm not at all surprised that Scoot and Sharpe have shown they have the skill and physical ability to be NBA stars and are struggling with their confidence, exactly as I predicted they would in this situation.

 

Why do you think they have confidence issues?

Sharpe shot the 2nd most shots per game of any Blazer last season after Ant.

Scoot has never shown a lack of confidence to me from before he was drafted. Id say he has the opposite with extreme confidence. Just his name oozes confidence.

If any Blazer had confidence issues I'd say it was the 27 year old Kris Murray.

 

Interesting stats. The stats don't appropriately account for Clingan's numerous "padding the rebounding stats" plays. They just count them as misses, when the net effect is usually a make.

 

I don't understand how playing behind an arguably better player will hinder development, but being force fed minutes and blatant tanking would foster success

 

Particularly as you're playing against the other team's bench. Go nuts!

Now, if the argument is that it's dispiriting playing well and having the starting spot still handed to Anfernee, well, no argument here. But the same argument does not apply to Jrue Fucking Holiday.

 

That hurts my arm just watching it.

 

It has been 25 years but I very clearly remember when Jermaine played. He would make mistakes. Dunleavy had no patience for him. Everyone was pretty much rejoicing the trade because Davis was an All-Star and Jermaine hadn't really proven shit.

And then he goes to Indy and immediately explodes. But the situations aren't really comparable. I think Chauncey has been pretty fair with them..... except for the defense thing. Simons is garbage at defense and he was never held accountable.

But look at these MPG for Jermaine. How could anyone show what they can do with minutes like that? I get that he was playing behind Sheed/Grant/Sabonis.


Scoot and Sharpe have been given minutes since day one. Not as many as I would like, but they have been given a chance.

Sharpe


Scoot


Looking at total minutes:

Jermaine (in 4 seasons) - 2,436 minutes played
Scoot (in 2 seasons) - 3,524 minutes played
Sharpe (in 3 seasons) - 5,090 minutes played

Sharpe has doubled the amount of minutes that Jermaine played in four seasons after only his third year.

 

yeah...that had a high broken wrist potential

 

The older I get, the more I watch young people doing shit that I know would hurt like hell.

 

Okay then, there should be no problems.

 

Murray is overflowing with confidence issues. IS HE REALLY 27 NOW????? (he is not - almost 25)

Scoot.... I do think struggles with confidence at times.

Sharpe I can't tell. He's always so emotionless.

 

I was curious so I went to Jermaine's splits. In his 2nd season, as a 19 year old, in the 9 games he started, Per36, he averaged 14.5 points and 9.3 rebounds. The 8 games he started in his 4th season aren't worth looking at because he only averaged 17.7 minutes. Dunleavy just didn't trust O'Neal

 

Pretty much. But I distinctly remember that when he went into games he would press. You could tell he was trying not to screw up and get the hook. And I remember hearing/reading that Dunleavy had zero patience for young guys.

 

The majority of coaches trying to win are the same

 

That's why the "two timeline" strategy never works.