The US actually knew about the possibility Pearl Harbor. Except it was either 1 week before or after they believed it would happen so they weren't prepared to respond. Intelligence did come that day that there would be an attack on Pearl Harbor but it arrived about 2 hours too late.I personally think the government had a role in it. The evidence just doesn't fit the story. If this were a criminal trial, the defense (government had a role) would win easily because all the evidence provided by the prosecution (all terrorists) is basically conjecture and impossible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt. In fact, lots of evidence probably would support the defense.However, if it was a terrorist attack, it was basically the same situation as Pearl Harbor. <u>We could sense something happening but you don't know which day it is and you don't want to send your country into complete chaos but then you run the risk of an attack.</u>As much as I don't like his decisions, you can't solely place the blame on Bush for making a mistake. It happened to FDR, considered one of the greatest presidents in American history.
Wait a minute..the Nation came together because of this? yea..maybe for a few weeks of grief. But the Nation has pretty much been ripped apart of it. Bush has used it as bubble of protection to get relected. Has used it as a means for personal grudges in a war. And basically to jusfify all of the mistakes he has made since being in office. I don't think this has made us stronger or brought us together. More cautious yes.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Sep 11 2006, 02:04 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jon_Vilma, I understand what your trying to say, but the majority of people have moved on with their lives and accepted it. Most people dont 'dwell' on what happened that day anymore....However. the Media is what continues to harp on what had happened in order to make a story, and they use it as a tool to spread their personal political agenda, whatever that may be. I think that the Media is what needs to stop 'dwelling' on it, and by that I mean that it really isnt necessary to have almost 24-7 coverage of 9/11 discussion 5 years after the day it happened. There is covering a story, and then there is going overboard and that is what I think the media is doing right now.<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Sep 11 2006, 09:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm a liberal so according to the conservative biased media, I do not love america as much as anyone else and therefore do not deserve to commemorate those who died on 9/11. The republican party has taken 9/11 and made it their own, and therefore does not have as much meaning to me as it did, say, 2 years ago.</div>The problem with that idea is your letting Political Beliefs get in the way of humanity. Fact of the matter is that 5 years ago today we were attacked by Terrorists that led to 3,000-plus Americans Getting Killed. Democrat or Republican should be irrelevant and instead we should be focusing on Remembering those who died and Remembering the NYPD and FDNY members who rushed into the World Trade Center and ended up Giving their lives to help save somebody else.</div>It's not like I don't care. It's just that it leaves a bad taste in my mouth and makes me feel like i'm supporting something that I don't support. I still pray for all those who died but it's unfair what the bush administration has done to 9/11.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Combs @ Sep 12 2006, 12:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wait a minute..the Nation came together because of this? yea..maybe for a few weeks of grief. But the Nation has pretty much been ripped apart of it. Bush has used it as bubble of protection to get relected. Has used it as a means for personal grudges in a war. And basically to jusfify all of the mistakes he has made since being in office. I don't think this has made us stronger or brought us together. More cautious yes.</div>Agree 100%. 9/11 has ripped this country apart because of Bush making it "his thing".
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Combs @ Sep 11 2006, 11:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wait a minute..the Nation came together because of this? yea..maybe for a few weeks of grief. But the Nation has pretty much been ripped apart of it. Bush has used it as bubble of protection to get relected. Has used it as a means for personal grudges in a war. And basically to jusfify all of the mistakes he has made since being in office. I don't think this has made us stronger or brought us together. More cautious yes.</div>I agree. To Bush: :bigfinger: :bigfinger: :bigfinger: :bigfinger:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Sep 11 2006, 01:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm a liberal so according to the conservative biased media, I do not love america as much as anyone else and therefore do not deserve to commemorate those who died on 9/11. The republican party has taken 9/11 and made it their own, and therefore does not have as much meaning to me as it did, say, 2 years ago.</div>it should... you are saying that because a group of people who you do not usually agree with talk about, and are more affected by an attack on our country you don't care about it anymore? Liberals and Conservative have nothing to do with 9/11 its radical muslim terrorists versus the united states of america... and freedom... and cristianity... and judasim... and rights. and did you mean the media is mostley conservative? what the hell? bs<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Sep 12 2006, 08:33 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Combs @ Sep 12 2006, 12:00 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wait a minute..the Nation came together because of this? yea..maybe for a few weeks of grief. But the Nation has pretty much been ripped apart of it. Bush has used it as bubble of protection to get relected. Has used it as a means for personal grudges in a war. And basically to jusfify all of the mistakes he has made since being in office. I don't think this has made us stronger or brought us together. More cautious yes.</div>Agree 100%. 9/11 has ripped this country apart because of Bush making it "his thing".</div>what the hell kind of logic is that? how has he made it his thing? did you want him to say "ohh well, shit happens" the reason there is such a split is because bush has no skill whatsoever in explaining himself... which is why noone understands why we are in iraq or how much of a threat terrorists are.The most important thing is to not forget 911... it seems to be the only thing to slighty knock any sense into the people who want to "talk and reason" with the terrorists and the countries who harbour themohh and the many people on the internet i have found that belive the US goverment executed 911... they need to shut the hell up, ingnorant bastards looking for a cause.
[quote name='TeNt' post='69179' date='Sep 14 2006, 11:37 AM'][quote name='PurplePeopleEaters' post='68650' date='Sep 11 2006, 01:37 PM']I'm a liberal so according to the conservative biased media, I do not love america as much as anyone else and therefore do not deserve to commemorate those who died on 9/11. The republican party has taken 9/11 and made it their own, and therefore does not have as much meaning to me as it did, say, 2 years ago.[/quote]it should... you are saying that because a group of people who you do not usually agree with talk about, and are more affected by an attack on our country you don't care about it anymore? Liberals and Conservative have nothing to do with 9/11 its radical muslim terrorists versus the united states of america... and freedom... and cristianity... and judasim... and rights. and did you mean the media is mostley conservative? what the hell? bs[quote name='PurplePeopleEaters' post='68786' date='Sep 12 2006, 08:33 AM'][quote name='Combs' post='68776' date='Sep 12 2006, 12:00 AM']Wait a minute..the Nation came together because of this? yea..maybe for a few weeks of grief. But the Nation has pretty much been ripped apart of it. Bush has used it as bubble of protection to get relected. Has used it as a means for personal grudges in a war. And basically to jusfify all of the mistakes he has made since being in office. I don't think this has made us stronger or brought us together. More cautious yes.[/quote]Agree 100%. 9/11 has ripped this country apart because of Bush making it "his thing".[/quote]what the hell kind of logic is that? how has he made it his thing? did you want him to say "ohh well, shit happens" the reason there is such a split is because bush has no skill whatsoever in explaining himself... which is why noone understands why we are in iraq or how much of a threat terrorists are.The most important thing is to not forget 911... it seems to be the only thing to slighty knock any sense into the people who want to "talk and reason" with the terrorists and the countries who harbour themohh and the many people on the internet i have found that belive the US goverment executed 911... they need to shut the hell up, ingnorant bastards looking for a cause.[/quote]Bush has made 9/11 the justification for the Iraq war nad basically he's building his "legacy" as the President of the United States based on 9/11.Iraq is unnecessary. I respect Bush for being a leader and assertive but there's a point where you just look stubborn and arrogant and Bush has passed that line.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Sep 14 2006, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Bush has made 9/11 the justification for the Iraq war nad basically he's building his "legacy" as the President of the United States based on 9/11.Iraq is unnecessary. I respect Bush for being a leader and assertive but there's a point where you just look stubborn and arrogant and Bush has passed that line.</div>no he has not, in fact he just gave a speech and answered "why are we in iraq if they had nothing to do with 9/11"saddam was a threat, alqueda was a threat, it was a breeding ground for the radical muslims who want us all dead... and would rape your kids at the drop of a hat... a democratic ally in the middle east is crucial to our saftey... and saddams regime was a threat to it... bush hasnt made 9/11 a platform, the media and people have... its just that when describing who we are fighting, explaining that it was them, or people with the same beliefs that knocked down the towers is the best example of the threat.
We're in Iraq for the oil!!! The U.S. wouldn't give a hoot if the Middle East had no oil. If Iraq has nukes, then why aren't we in North Korea??
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrianUrlacher54 @ Sep 14 2006, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We're in Iraq for the oil!!! The U.S. wouldn't give a hoot if the Middle East had no oil. If Iraq has nukes, then why aren't we in North Korea?? </div>is ignorance really bliss?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TeNt @ Sep 14 2006, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Sep 14 2006, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Bush has made 9/11 the justification for the Iraq war nad basically he's building his "legacy" as the President of the United States based on 9/11.Iraq is unnecessary. I respect Bush for being a leader and assertive but there's a point where you just look stubborn and arrogant and Bush has passed that line.</div>no he has not, in fact he just gave a speech and answered "why are we in iraq if they had nothing to do with 9/11"saddam was a threat, alqueda was a threat, it was a breeding ground for the radical muslims who want us all dead... and would rape your kids at the drop of a hat... a democratic ally in the middle east is crucial to our saftey... and saddams regime was a threat to it... bush hasnt made 9/11 a platform, the media and people have... its just that when describing who we are fighting, explaining that it was them, or people with the same beliefs that knocked down the towers is the best example of the threat.</div>Well how about I put it this way. Say there were a bunch of radical christian extremists who went to say, Baghdad, and blew up their capitol building killing a bunch of people. Now, here's this thing. These extremists were canadian. So the Government of Iraq says lets go attack America AND canada because they both are a "breeding ground" for radical christian extremists. Does that make much sense?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TeNt @ Sep 14 2006, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrianUrlacher54 @ Sep 14 2006, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We're in Iraq for the oil!!! The U.S. wouldn't give a hoot if the Middle East had no oil. If Iraq has nukes, then why aren't we in North Korea?? </div>is ignorance really bliss?</div>He was being sarcastic you stupid fuck.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ Sep 14 2006, 10:47 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TeNt @ Sep 14 2006, 10:31 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (BrianUrlacher54 @ Sep 14 2006, 09:12 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>We're in Iraq for the oil!!! The U.S. wouldn't give a hoot if the Middle East had no oil. If Iraq has nukes, then why aren't we in North Korea?? </div>is ignorance really bliss?</div>He was being sarcastic you stupid fuck.</div>No he wasnt jackass. :flipa: . What he said was true. those smilies are rolleyes. :bigfinger:
[quote name='TeNt' post='69179' date='Sep 14 2006, 03:37 PM'][quote name='PurplePeopleEaters' post='68650' date='Sep 11 2006, 01:37 PM']I'm a liberal so according to the conservative biased media, I do not love america as much as anyone else and therefore do not deserve to commemorate those who died on 9/11. The republican party has taken 9/11 and made it their own, and therefore does not have as much meaning to me as it did, say, 2 years ago.[/quote]it should... you are saying that because a group of people who you do not usually agree with talk about, and are more affected by an attack on our country you don't care about it anymore? Liberals and Conservative have nothing to do with 9/11 its radical muslim terrorists versus the united states of america... and freedom... and cristianity... and judasim... and rights. and did you mean the media is mostley conservative? what the hell? bs[quote name='PurplePeopleEaters' post='68786' date='Sep 12 2006, 08:33 AM'][quote name='Combs' post='68776' date='Sep 12 2006, 12:00 AM']Wait a minute..the Nation came together because of this? yea..maybe for a few weeks of grief. But the Nation has pretty much been ripped apart of it. Bush has used it as bubble of protection to get relected. Has used it as a means for personal grudges in a war. And basically to jusfify all of the mistakes he has made since being in office. I don't think this has made us stronger or brought us together. More cautious yes.[/quote]Agree 100%. 9/11 has ripped this country apart because of Bush making it "his thing".[/quote]what the hell kind of logic is that? how has he made it his thing? did you want him to say "ohh well, shit happens" the reason there is such a split is because bush has no skill whatsoever in explaining himself... which is why noone understands why we are in iraq or how much of a threat terrorists are.The most important thing is to not forget 911... it seems to be the only thing to slighty knock any sense into the people who want to "talk and reason" with the terrorists and the countries who harbour themohh and the many people on the internet i have found that belive the US goverment executed 911... they need to shut the hell up, ingnorant bastards looking for a cause.[/quote]When a certain party you don't agree with is hammering something down your throat every second of the day and using this event to gain votes, it gets a little tiring and doesn't have nearly as much significance as before. And yes, the media is biased toward conservative politics. Most conservatives don't realize this because they agree with what the media says. C'mon dude.. Fox News? It's so blatant.Yes bush made 9/11 "his thing". He talks about it all the time, used it to gain votes, and started 2 wars over it. I don't think many other people in the same situation would do that much. So if bush has no way to explain himself because he's a dumbass, please take the liberty of explaining to me why the hell we are in Iraq?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GotSkillz92 @ Sep 14 2006, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No he wasnt jackass. :flipa: . What he said was true. those smilies are rolleyes. :bigfinger:</div>Do you think your cool or something?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ Sep 14 2006, 08:05 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GotSkillz92 @ Sep 14 2006, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>No he wasnt jackass. :flipa: . What he said was true. those smilies are rolleyes. :bigfinger:</div>Do you think your cool or something?</div>Wow. Do you even know proper english? Isn't it the only language you know? Its you're retard, not your. Talk about a retard...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Sep 14 2006, 10:42 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TeNt @ Sep 14 2006, 08:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Sep 14 2006, 08:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Bush has made 9/11 the justification for the Iraq war nad basically he's building his "legacy" as the President of the United States based on 9/11.Iraq is unnecessary. I respect Bush for being a leader and assertive but there's a point where you just look stubborn and arrogant and Bush has passed that line.</div>no he has not, in fact he just gave a speech and answered "why are we in iraq if they had nothing to do with 9/11"saddam was a threat, alqueda was a threat, it was a breeding ground for the radical muslims who want us all dead... and would rape your kids at the drop of a hat... a democratic ally in the middle east is crucial to our saftey... and saddams regime was a threat to it... bush hasnt made 9/11 a platform, the media and people have... its just that when describing who we are fighting, explaining that it was them, or people with the same beliefs that knocked down the towers is the best example of the threat.</div>Well how about I put it this way. Say there were a bunch of radical christian extremists who went to say, Baghdad, and blew up their capitol building killing a bunch of people. Now, here's this thing. These extremists were canadian. So the Government of Iraq says lets go attack America AND canada because they both are a "breeding ground" for radical christian extremists. Does that make much sense?</div>you can't give that analogy without tons of other details that the real situation hasthe main one being the threat of iraq, if we had not gone ito iraq i guarentee another attack would have happened on the US by now, followed by more, and more. and ummm, PPE... cnn, cbs, abc, nbc, the new york times... come on man, foxnews is one channel and they arent even that biased... i watch fox alot and most of it is just.... this is what happened and this is how it happened... if you come to a conservative conclusion because of that then thats your problemBush talks about 911 all the time... NO SHIT... so would any sensible president... and how the fuck has he used it to gain votes? Two wars over it? Yeah cause he has a brain and knows it would happen again if the radial muslims werent stopped... if a liberal like, lets say, john kerry was in office... we would have been attacked multiple times since... sitting back and doing nothing and never speaking of the attack is your idea?9/11 is one of the largest events in our history, and it happend under bush... did washington wrongly make the revolutionary war "his thing", did lincoln make the civil war "his thing"?
