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agreed. Rasheed was a good player; 4 all-star games. But he never made an all-NBA team or an all-Defense team.

* His career PER was only 17.0. Jokic 28.5; SGA 23.4 (30.7 last season); Giannis 25.8 (30.5 last season); Doncic 25.5; AD 26.8

* his career rebound rate was 12.1%. ( Avdija 13.1%; Josh Hart 12.7%; Aminu 13.6%; Aldridge 13.8%)

* his career assist rate was 9.6% (Batum 16.3%; Josh Hart 14.2%; Evan Turner 19.8%; Nurkic 15.7%)

* his career TS% was .536 (league average .576; Josh Hart .578; Batum .566; Larry Nance Jr .596)

so, to review "Rasheed would be a Top-5 player" but Josh Hart is a much better shooter, a better rebounder, and a better passer. OK

 

I don't know how you solve this problem but I think so many different players having their own podcasts is a marketing issue for the league. I don't want players' first amendment rights stifled but I just see them monetizing their voices during their playing careers as being problematic.

It behooves them, if they're monetizing their voices, to show themselves as more controversial than they actually are. The game could become more about doing shit that will get you clicks than it is about winning or playing at a high level.

 

I just find it boring.

 

Just your stats.
You didn’t even touch on holding the record for technical fouls and just being an all around idiot.

 

One guy on that list is not like the others...

 

If you watched him play then you watched him cost his teams games in the 4th quarter by playing boneheaded basketball.

 

Russ also won a number of games. Gotta give credit where it's due.

 

2 really, Jason Kidd was not "the man" when he won his, he was lucky enough to be on a team with a prime Dirk.

We can't do that for Oscar Robertson, but if you look at the career WS/48 for all the other - once again you see that Kidd and Westbrook are in the 0.13* range where Lebron, Magic, Jokic are in the 0.2* range (in other words, impacting wins at a much higher rate).

In other words, triple doubles are not that important a stat...

 

I stand corrected. Great job.

 

Interesting that when Dame got his one and only (I believe he has only 1 still) this place went nuts like we had just won the Super Bowl. And the team kept him out there trying to get that last rebound for like 8 or 9 minutes. I remember Whiteside I believe snatched the rebound that would have given Dame the triple double way earlier and the whole bench was screaming and yelling at him….HA! It’s a big deal. Just not when it’s by players people don’t “like”.

 

Be that as it may, (I do not even remember when that happened), looking at career WS/48, Dame is at 0.174 which seems to align with my assessment that he is a bigger contributor to wins than Westbrook for example, but not really at the insane level that people like Magic, Lebron and Jokic are. Kyrie, for example, has a career WS/48 of 0.163, again seems to align with my assessment, about the same tier as a guy like Dame, above a guy like Westbrook, but his ring is really because he played next to a prime Lebron.

It's a shame that Dame never got a ring playing next to a Giannis, likely because of injuries (Career WS/48 of 0.205).

I personally do not put much stock in triple doubles as a measure of a player's greatness. If you shoot a ton on low efficiency, steal rebounds from your teammates and have an atrocious A/TO ratio but still get a triple double, it is not a great measure of greatness and definitely not a great contributor for winning.

Efficiency is a greater measure for success in just about any walk of life. It's much harder to build a very efficient car than slap a huge engine in some chassis and create a so-called "supercar". That's why you see lots of cottage industry "super cars" that leave no mark, but very few companies can build something like a humble Prius for example. The Prius is a much higher achievement, as an engineer, than a Lamborghini <enter name of spanish bull here> for example - and Lamborghinis are much better than a lot of the dreck supercars you will see.

 

BTW, In fairness to Westbrook, a 0.133 career WS/48 is fantastic. The Blazers last year, had only one major contributor with a higher WS/48 (DC) and Deni (arguably, the Blazer's best player last year) had a WS/48 of 0.124 and Westbrook had a 3 year stretch there where he was in the 0.22 range - he is a fantastic player, but he is not at the level of the other players on that list (other than J Kidd). J.Kidd never had the high 0.22 level years (and Dame had only 2 of those).

 

it's a big deal for players because the media makes it a big deal

it's not a big deal in terms of impact. Westbrook has had 203 triple doubles. Dirk had 2; AD has had 4; Hakeem had 14; Curry has had 10. All of those players are much better than Westbrook, and have had bigger impacts on winning

for that matter, Dame has had only 5. Yet, I'd bet 30 out of 30 GM's would take prime Dame over prime Westbrook