What it will end up as.JeterMorneauPapi FrankDye SantaMauer What it should beSantanao I need to explain? He's the best pitcher in baseball and there's no debate about it even. And he's on track to be become a top 10 pitcher ever unless Liriano does it before him. Morneau: Not only is he a on the top 5 in BA he also he 30+ homers and 120+ RBI's. That's a huge HR-RBI ratio. Almost 4 RBI's per HR. Most power hitters get closers to 2 or maybe 3 in that. He's a very solid fielder. And his hitting has kept the twins in the race. They wouldn't have won this much with out him. I just can't put Papi or Dye ahead of him because there teams haven't done anything close to the Twins. And Jeter. We'll I'll explain nextJeter:Yes the Yankees have done great things again. A lot because of Jeter but you can't factor out others. Yes Alex Rodriguez isn't playing the best but this statline isn't awful.AVG .284 | HR 34 | RBI 116 | OBP .384 | SLG .514Yes someone getting that kind of money it is pretty bad but that's still nice numbers. It's not like Johnny Damon hasn't done anything. Or Jorge Posada or Jason Giambi or any of the other guys. I'm probably just biased but I haven't seen enough of Jeter to see he's any better so I guess this isn't a fair judgement but I'm not a professional sports journalist or anything Ortiz: Yes he isn't on a condteder but not everyone can do that kind of thing. This is a red sox legand you're watching. A red sox legand!That's all I can do now. But thats my opinion
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (MaroonNGold @ Sep 21 2006, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What it will end up as.JeterMorneauPapi FrankDye <u>Santa</u>Mauer What it should beSantanao I need to explain? He's the best pitcher in baseball and there's no debate about it even. And he's on track to be become a top 10 pitcher ever unless Liriano does it before him. Morneau: Not only is he a on the top 5 in BA he also he 30+ homers and 120+ RBI's. That's a huge HR-RBI ratio. Almost 4 RBI's per HR. Most power hitters get closers to 2 or maybe 3 in that. He's a very solid fielder. And his hitting has kept the twins in the race. They wouldn't have won this much with out him. I just can't put Papi or Dye ahead of him because there teams haven't done anything close to the Twins. And Jeter. We'll I'll explain nextJeter:Yes the Yankees have done great things again. A lot because of Jeter but you can't factor out others. Yes Alex Rodriguez isn't playing the best but this statline isn't awful.AVG .284 | HR 34 | RBI 116 | OBP .384 | SLG .514Yes someone getting that kind of money it is pretty bad but that's still nice numbers. It's not like Johnny Damon hasn't done anything. Or Jorge Posada or Jason Giambi or any of the other guys. I'm probably just biased but I haven't seen enough of Jeter to see he's any better so I guess this isn't a fair judgement but I'm not a professional sports journalist or anything Ortiz: Yes he isn't on a condteder but not everyone can do that kind of thing. This is a red sox legand you're watching. A red sox legand!That's all I can do now. But thats my opinion</div>Nice. Santa gets something other than cookies this year. He gets his name mentioned in the MVP race.
Santa is always on my MVP ballot.But pitchers shouldn't get the MVP. That's what they have the Cy Young for. Yeah those guys in the 80s and wat naught deserved it, but pitchers shouldn't get MVP.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Sep 20 2006, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FSUViking @ Sep 20 2006, 03:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Convection"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:#6600CC">If it wasn't for Morneau, the Twins aren't within 15 games of a Wild Card. Now that is the definition of a Most Valuable Player.</span></span></span></div>If you put Morneau on the Yankees, and Jeter on the Twins, the Twins would have the division lead and the Yankees would still be battling the Red Sox for the division crown.</div><span style="font-family:Convection"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:#6600CC">WOW.So, your saying that putting Morneau and his .326 33 HRs and 125 RBI would make the Yankees' WORSE? And his personal stats would go DOWN surrounded by guys like Giambi and A-Rod? Meanwhile, Jeter would make the Twins better?That's about as fucked up as I have ever heard something be.</span></span></span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FSUViking @ Sep 21 2006, 02:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Sep 20 2006, 09:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (FSUViking @ Sep 20 2006, 03:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><span style="font-family:Convection"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:#6600CC">If it wasn't for Morneau, the Twins aren't within 15 games of a Wild Card. Now that is the definition of a Most Valuable Player.</span></span></span></div>If you put Morneau on the Yankees, and Jeter on the Twins, the Twins would have the division lead and the Yankees would still be battling the Red Sox for the division crown.</div><span style="font-family:Convection"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:#6600CC">WOW.So, your saying that putting Morneau and his .326 33 HRs and 125 RBI would make the Yankees' WORSE? And his personal stats would go DOWN surrounded by guys like Giambi and A-Rod? Meanwhile, Jeter would make the Twins better?That's about as fucked up as I have ever heard something be.</span></span></span></div>Yes, if you took Jeter off the team for his roster spot, most definitely.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TCOF @ Sep 21 2006, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Santa is always on my MVP ballot.But pitchers shouldn't get the MVP. That's what they have the Cy Young for. Yeah those guys in the 80s and wat naught deserved it, but pitchers shouldn't get MVP.</div>Johan Santana deserves it as much as those pitchers in the 80's did. And the Hitters have the Hank Aaron award, the pitchers have the Cy Young. What's your point? You could say the same thing that a certain hitter doesnt deserve the MVP because hes going to Win the Hank Aaron Award anyways......The Most Valueable player is the most valueable player, regardless of position.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Sep 22 2006, 11:47 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (TCOF @ Sep 21 2006, 12:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Santa is always on my MVP ballot.But pitchers shouldn't get the MVP. That's what they have the Cy Young for. Yeah those guys in the 80s and wat naught deserved it, but pitchers shouldn't get MVP.</div>Johan Santana deserves it as much as those pitchers in the 80's did. And the Hitters have the Hank Aaron award, the pitchers have the Cy Young. What's your point? You could say the same thing that a certain hitter doesnt deserve the MVP because hes going to Win the Hank Aaron Award anyways......The Most Valueable player is the most valueable player, regardless of position.</div>Hank Aaron Award doesn't encompass fielding. It's not complete.
[quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='70259' date='Sep 22 2006, 12:07 AM'][quote name='FSUViking' post='70232' date='Sep 21 2006, 02:41 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='70184' date='Sep 20 2006, 09:11 PM'][quote name='FSUViking' post='70166' date='Sep 20 2006, 03:38 PM']<span style="font-family:Convection"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:#6600CC">If it wasn't for Morneau, the Twins aren't within 15 games of a Wild Card. Now that is the definition of a Most Valuable Player.</span></span></span>[/quote]If you put Morneau on the Yankees, and Jeter on the Twins, the Twins would have the division lead and the Yankees would still be battling the Red Sox for the division crown.[/quote]<span style="font-family:Convection"><span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"><span style="color:#6600CC">WOW.So, your saying that putting Morneau and his .326 33 HRs and 125 RBI would make the Yankees' WORSE? And his personal stats would go DOWN surrounded by guys like Giambi and A-Rod? Meanwhile, Jeter would make the Twins better?That's about as fucked up as I have ever heard something be.</span></span></span>[/quote]Yes, if you took Jeter off the team for his roster spot, most definitely.[/quote]<span style="font-size:10pt;line-height:100%"><span style="font-family:Convection"><span style="color:#6600CC">Again.....wow.</span></span></span>
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Sep 22 2006, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hank Aaron Award doesn't encompass fielding. It's not complete.</div>Neither does the Cy Young. :whistling:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Sep 23 2006, 10:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Sep 22 2006, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hank Aaron Award doesn't encompass fielding. It's not complete.</div>Neither does the Cy Young. :whistling:</div>I believe there's something called a Gold Glove for that Even though that takes your stick into account
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Sep 23 2006, 08:18 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Sep 22 2006, 09:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hank Aaron Award doesn't encompass fielding. It's not complete.</div>Neither does the Cy Young. :whistling:</div>Never said it did, which is why I feel Pitchers should be considered for the MVP :thumbsup:
