[quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='73791' date='Oct 25 2006, 09:32 PM'][quote name='Brooksie5' post='73790' date='Oct 25 2006, 06:42 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='73786' date='Oct 25 2006, 08:22 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='73762' date='Oct 25 2006, 01:43 PM']<u>AFC:</u><u>QB's:</u>Chad Pennington (NYJ)<u>RB's:</u>Leon Washington (NYJ)<u>WR's:</u>Laveranues Coles (NYJ)<u>Punter:</u>Ben Graham (NYJ)<u>Guards:</u>Pete Kendall (NYJ)<u>FS:</u>Kerry Rhodes (NYJ)<u>ILB's:</u>Jon Vilma (NYJ)<u>Kick Returner:</u>Justin Miller (NYJ)[/quote]Pennington is hugely responsible for the Jets turnaround, and there isn't anyone else who is better than him thus far that wasn't also listed.Leon Washington has the highest YPC for a starter in the AFC.Coles is 2nd to only Andre Johnson in Yards and Receptions.Ben Graham leads the NFL in muffed punts because of his screwball style kicks.Pete Kendall is a stud Run Blocker and Pass blocker who is responsible for the great progress of both rookies playing on either side of him.Rhodes needs no explanation, he's the obvious choice in the AFC.Vilma is a stud plain and simple. While statistically there are better choices, there are statistical arguments to say others are better than Urlacher too. That doesn't mean they are.Justin Miller has the highest KR yard average. He gets the best field position for his team on average.I don't feel I was too much of a homer.[/quote]Washington hasn't been a starter yet this season either...Muffed punts? That's a good thing?Miller doesn't deserve it, it's return man, therefore someone who returns both kicks and punts deserves it.[/quote]He's starting this week.Muffed punts is a good thing. You see, if the returner has trouble catching the ball, muffs it, it at the very least delays their return, and at most gives you a recovered fumble.He's the best Kick Returner in the game at the moment.[/quote]Yeah, he's starting.. great for him. He has still only started 0 games (so far) this season. He's not going to get a chance at the Pro Bowl unless he can pull a Larry Johnson off.Yeah, muffed punts is good, I was thinking of (can't think of the words) the punts that were like 10 yarders that they hit off the side of their foot. But who cares, is he even close to leading in any other punting category?Best Kick returner. But this isn't the best kick returner... it's the best all-around returner. So if you don't return both kicks and punts you shouldn't even be mentioned.And Hester has more return TD's than anyone else, I think that deserves a spot in the Pro Bowl as a return man. But who cares.. people don't really need to get serious about this until the final weeks of the season.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Oct 26 2006, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Oct 25 2006, 09:32 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He's starting this week.Muffed punts is a good thing. You see, if the returner has trouble catching the ball, muffs it, it at the very least delays their return, and at most gives you a recovered fumble.He's the best Kick Returner in the game at the moment.</div>Yeah, he's starting.. great for him. He has still only started 0 games (so far) this season. He's not going to get a chance at the Pro Bowl unless he can pull a Larry Johnson off.Yeah, muffed punts is good, I was thinking of (can't think of the words) the punts that were like 10 yarders that they hit off the side of their foot. But who cares, is he even close to leading in any other punting category?Best Kick returner. But this isn't the best kick returner... it's the best all-around returner. So if you don't return both kicks and punts you shouldn't even be mentioned.And Hester has more return TD's than anyone else, I think that deserves a spot in the Pro Bowl as a return man. But who cares.. people don't really need to get serious about this until the final weeks of the season.</div>Um. He leads in muffed punts. The rest he is above average in. But he's not a "kick it as deep as possible" guy. He's a "Kick it as deep as possible while adding an impossible screwball rotation to make them fumble it" guy.The only reason he's not returning punts is because the other team is punting after he shuts them down on defense. He's a good punt returner too. And I gave Devin Hester the vote.... in the NFC.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Oct 26 2006, 01:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The only reason he's not returning punts is because the other team is punting after he shuts them down on defense. He's a good punt returner too. And I gave Devin Hester the vote.... in the NFC.</div>Since when has Justin Miller shut down anybody on Defense?Hence why he was benched for our 6th round pick. :whistling:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Oct 26 2006, 02:33 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Oct 26 2006, 01:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The only reason he's not returning punts is because the other team is punting after he shuts them down on defense. He's a good punt returner too. And I gave Devin Hester the vote.... in the NFC.</div>Since when has Justin Miller shut down anybody on Defense?Hence why he was benched for our 6th round pick. :whistling:</div>Strait started at Safety one week and was released the next.Remember that this is the former DB coach from New England we are talking about. He likes to get creative.
how come almost no one said anything about Frank freakin Gore?what is he, 4th in the NFL in rushing?yeah...i think that might be pro bowl worthy...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iknobaer @ Oct 27 2006, 02:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>how come almost no one said anything about Frank freakin Gore?what is he, 4th in the NFL in rushing?yeah...i think that might be pro bowl worthy...</div>Frank Gore should make it. How come no one is talking about Chester Taylor though? 2nd in the NFL in rushing yards. :thumbsup:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Oct 27 2006, 08:49 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iknobaer @ Oct 27 2006, 02:37 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>how come almost no one said anything about Frank freakin Gore?what is he, 4th in the NFL in rushing?yeah...i think that might be pro bowl worthy...</div>Frank Gore should make it. How come no one is talking about Chester Taylor though? 2nd in the NFL in rushing yards. :thumbsup:</div>I'm sure almost everyone voted for Taylor. Just because we aren't raving about him doesn't mean we didn't pick him.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Oct 26 2006, 12:53 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>And Hester has more return TD's than anyone else, I think that deserves a spot in the Pro Bowl as a return man. But who cares.. people don't really need to get serious about this until the final weeks of the season.</div>So do you care to re-evalutate your stance on Justin Miller. Only Hester (2 Punt Returns) and Miller (2 Kick Returns) have multiple scores. Both are tied for the NFL lead and hold the sole possesion of their conference lead.Oh, and Hester has returned a whole.... two kickoffs. He only does one of the two as well. If you want to hold back Miller by that reasoning you have to hold back Hester.Miller leads the Kickoff Return Average by 1.8 YPR. Hester leads the Put Return Average by 1.7 YPR.Both have 2 TD's while no one else does.And indicitive of what is more difficult, only 3 Kickoffs have been returned for a TD thus far this year. 2 by Miller, 1 by someone else. 7 Punts have been returned for a TD this year, 2 by Hester, 5 by someone else.Oh, and Hester has had more PR opportunities than anyone else by 7..... Miller is middle of the pack in number of Kick Returns, yet still leads in yards and TD's. How'd that happpen?Hester is a great little return man, and he gets props for the win over Arizona.... but Miller is just a better return man than anyone else in the NFL this year.
