Re: Let the Matsuzaka bidding begin! http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article...t=.jsp&c_id=mlbet the bidding for Matsuzaka beginJapanese pitcher's negotiating rights formally posted by LionsBy Tom Singer / MLB.comThe clock has begun ticking on Daisuke Matsuzaka, the pitching sensation who was formally "posted" by his Japan League club on Thursday afternoon.The Seibu Lions' move officially opened bidding among Major League clubs for exclusive negotiating rights to the 26-year-old right-hander, starting a process that is expected to conclude with Matsuzaka signing a multiyear contract to instantly become the winning team's ace.The deadline for bids is Wednesday 5 p.m. ET.The winning rights fee, foreseen as surpassing $20 million, will go to Seibu as compensation for the loss of Matsuzaka, who followed up his MVP selection in the inaugural World Baseball Classic in March by going 17-5 with a 2.13 ERA this year.The winning bidder will have a 30-day window to hammer out a deal with agent Scott Boras -- a contract that industry insiders project to go as long as five years with an annual compensation of $10 million.Thus, the total outlay for Matsuzaka could exceed $70 million, one reason several teams apparently have gotten cold feet over getting involved in the competition, which one MLB source predicted will "get real nasty."Even before the official posting, the Mariners, Angels, Orioles and Giants have reportedly removed themselves from the picture, according to various published reports.Other clubs, including the Yankees, Red Sox and Mets, remain enthusiastic about a rare opportunity to land a young, polished No. 1 pitcher.A 1998 top draft choice, who has captured each component of a pitcher's Triple Crown (wins, strikeouts and ERA) multiple times in Japan, Matsuzaka first attempted to answer the siren call of the Majors a year ago.At that time, Seibu rejected his request to be posted. A year later, the club did not wish to remain in his way.Said Hidekazu Ota, the Lions' controlling owner: "Matsuzaka is a treasure of Japanese baseball. We want to help realize his dream."After two more Japan League seasons, Matsuzaka would've been eligible for no-strings free agency, used by several veteran Japanese players as their gateway to the big leagues.The posting process, by comparison, has paved the way for such younger stars as Seattle's Ichiro Suzuki.In 2000, the Mariners bid $13 million for the rights to Ichiro, whom they subsequently signed to a three-year, $14 million deal.
Re: Let the Matsuzaka bidding begin! Matsuzaka should wait 2 more seasons.He won't get as fat of a contract this year then he could get in 08.But wtf O's. We need a guy like Matsuzaka to anchor our pitching rotation. At least make a play for him and look like you care about winning for a change. Fuck Angelos.
Re: Let the Matsuzaka bidding begin! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Nov 2 2006, 07:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Matsuzaka should wait 2 more seasons.He won't get as fat of a contract this year then he could get in 08.But wtf O's. We need a guy like Matsuzaka to anchor our pitching rotation. At least make a play for him and look like you care about winning for a change. Fuck Angelos.</div>In 2 seasons, Matsuzaka will be 28 instead of 26, and logged about 400 more innings on his arm. Not to mention it is a huge gamble because he very well could get injured and there will have the same questions because they still wont know how exactly he will stack up against Major League hitting. The Price wouldn't go up that much, maybe only to 12-13 million as he is still an expensive gamble. He is projected to get about a 5 yr, 50 mill deal with his new team anyways. If he stays in Japan for the next 2 years, not only does he get paid like crap for those next 2 years, but I doubt the price would get that much higher for a person who has yet to pitch an inning in the Major Leagues. Which would you rather have?10M - 10M - 10M - 10M - 10M (50 M)Or2M - 2M - 13M - 13M - 13M (43 M)He would have to get 15 Million a year or more in the open market for it to be a worthwhile gamble.As for the Orioles, there are more cost effective routes to go, such as signing a making a move for a pitcher like Mark Mulder or Mark Prior who are coming off an injury, or just chooseing to go after a Jason Schmidt, Mike Mussina, or even Barry Zito who by the time this bidding war for Matsuzaka is over might come cheaper. Just because they're not after someone doesn't mean they're not trying to improve.
Re: Let the Matsuzaka bidding begin! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Nov 2 2006, 07:36 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>http://mlb.mlb.com/NASApp/mlb/news/article...t=.jsp&c_id=mlbet the bidding for Matsuzaka beginJapanese pitcher's negotiating rights formally posted by LionsBy Tom Singer / MLB.comThe clock has begun ticking on Daisuke Matsuzaka, the pitching sensation who was formally "posted" by his Japan League club on Thursday afternoon.The Seibu Lions' move officially opened bidding among Major League clubs for exclusive negotiating rights to the 26-year-old right-hander, starting a process that is expected to conclude with Matsuzaka signing a multiyear contract to instantly become the winning team's ace.The deadline for bids is Wednesday 5 p.m. ET.The winning rights fee, foreseen as surpassing $20 million, will go to Seibu as compensation for the loss of Matsuzaka, who followed up his MVP selection in the inaugural World Baseball Classic in March by going 17-5 with a 2.13 ERA this year.The winning bidder will have a 30-day window to hammer out a deal with agent Scott Boras -- a contract that industry insiders project to go as long as five years with an annual compensation of $10 million.Thus, the total outlay for Matsuzaka could exceed $70 million, one reason several teams apparently have gotten cold feet over getting involved in the competition, which one MLB source predicted will "get real nasty."Even before the official posting, the Mariners, Angels, Orioles and Giants have reportedly removed themselves from the picture, according to various published reports.Other clubs, including the Yankees, Red Sox and Mets, remain enthusiastic about a rare opportunity to land a young, polished No. 1 pitcher.A 1998 top draft choice, who has captured each component of a pitcher's Triple Crown (wins, strikeouts and ERA) multiple times in Japan, Matsuzaka first attempted to answer the siren call of the Majors a year ago.At that time, Seibu rejected his request to be posted. A year later, the club did not wish to remain in his way.Said Hidekazu Ota, the Lions' controlling owner: "Matsuzaka is a treasure of Japanese baseball. We want to help realize his dream."After two more Japan League seasons, Matsuzaka would've been eligible for no-strings free agency, used by several veteran Japanese players as their gateway to the big leagues.The posting process, by comparison, has paved the way for such younger stars as Seattle's Ichiro Suzuki.In 2000, the Mariners bid $13 million for the rights to Ichiro, whom they subsequently signed to a three-year, $14 million deal.</div>He's going to the Yankees
Re: Let the Matsuzaka bidding begin! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Nov 2 2006, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He's going to the Yankees</div>They're the frontrunners, but other teams have a lot of money to spend also and might steal him away. Like a certain other New York team. </wishful thinking>
Re: Let the Matsuzaka bidding begin! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Nov 2 2006, 10:50 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Nov 2 2006, 09:38 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He's going to the Yankees</div>They're the frontrunners, but other teams have a lot of money to spend also and might steal him away. Like a certain other New York team. </wishful thinking></div>I'm not even talking money wise, I'm talking Scott Boras. He has a reputation for trying to convince his clients that New York is the right place for them. Take A-Rod for example. Boras has been deadset on keeping him in NY. There is the very obvious reason of Ad dollars there, but also public exposure for their next contracts.
Re: Let the Matsuzaka bidding begin! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Nov 2 2006, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not even talking money wise, I'm talking Scott Boras. He has a reputation for trying to convince his clients that New York is the right place for them. Take A-Rod for example. Boras has been deadset on keeping him in NY. There is the very obvious reason of Ad dollars there, but also public exposure for their next contracts.</div>Boras is useless for this one, because Matsuzaka has to go to the highest bidder, and since it's a closed bid process, the Yankees or Mets wont be able to know who else is bidding how much money for the guy. Point is, if the Red Sox for example, put in a crazy bid and become the top bidder. Matsuzaka's only choices are signing with them or going back to Japan. And he isn't going back to Japan, because like I said he would not only lose money, but put off chaseing his lifelong dream and risk injury, so hes going to sign with whoever wins the closed auction.
Re: Let the Matsuzaka bidding begin! Twins bid $5.00. We could probably get him for that.I wouldn't give him a lot. He'll probably suck balls like the rest of that pitchers that came from Japan to the Majors.
Re: Let the Matsuzaka bidding begin! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Nov 3 2006, 03:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Twins bid $5.00. We could probably get him for that.I wouldn't give him a lot. He'll probably suck balls like the rest of that pitchers that came from Japan to the Majors.</div>He is not a Hideo Nomo or Hideki Irabu. Hideo Nomo had terrible control, even in Japanese Ball as he had walked 86 Guys in 114 Innings before coming over to the Majors and 148 in 243 Innings in the year before that. In the Major Leagues it was the same deal with him as he was pushing 100 Walks in just about Every Single Season he pitched here. In Major League Baseball however, those walks proved to be the main reasons for his lack of success as they got him into jams he couldn't get himself out of. His Hits and Strikeouts per inning were actually quite remarkable and he would have been a much more successful pitcher if he didn't walk everybody.In comparision, Matsuzaka is known for his remarkable control as he walked 49 in 215 innings in 2005, and 34 in 200 innings this past season. He's walked under 3 batters per 9 Innings every single year since he was 19 years old, 5 Consecutive Years, a feat that Hideo Nomo or Hideki Irabu NEVER accomplished.Meanwhile Hideki Irabu's main problem was that he had alot of trouble keeping the ball in the Ballpark. He was prone to giving up a ton of Home Runs because he was a fly-ball pitcher, not to mention he got rattled easily, and when a team got inside his head he was far from effective. In Comparision, Matsuzaka has allowed a high of 14 Home Runs in a season, and by all the scouting reports and such I've read, he is known to not get rattled at all. And just for the Record, not all Japanese Pitchers are busts, as Takashi Saito and Akinori Otsuka were 2 argueably Top 10 closers this past season and they both came from Japan. Both had an ERA well under 3. Daisuke Matsuzaka has put up numbers in Japan as good as Johan Santana's all the way across the board are here. Now I'm in no way saying that he is going to be as goos as Santana, but I personally see him as being a Top 15 Pitcher in Baseball after a Couple Years personally. http://www.thebaseballcube.com/players/M/d...matsuzaka.shtml
Re: Let the Matsuzaka bidding begin! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Nov 2 2006, 09:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Nov 2 2006, 07:11 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Matsuzaka should wait 2 more seasons.He won't get as fat of a contract this year then he could get in 08.But wtf O's. We need a guy like Matsuzaka to anchor our pitching rotation. At least make a play for him and look like you care about winning for a change. Fuck Angelos.</div>In 2 seasons, Matsuzaka will be 28 instead of 26, and logged about 400 more innings on his arm. Not to mention it is a huge gamble because he very well could get injured and there will have the same questions because they still wont know how exactly he will stack up against Major League hitting. The Price wouldn't go up that much, maybe only to 12-13 million as he is still an expensive gamble. He is projected to get about a 5 yr, 50 mill deal with his new team anyways. If he stays in Japan for the next 2 years, not only does he get paid like crap for those next 2 years, but I doubt the price would get that much higher for a person who has yet to pitch an inning in the Major Leagues. Which would you rather have?10M - 10M - 10M - 10M - 10M (50 M)Or2M - 2M - 13M - 13M - 13M (43 M)He would have to get 15 Million a year or more in the open market for it to be a worthwhile gamble.As for the Orioles, there are more cost effective routes to go, such as signing a making a move for a pitcher like Mark Mulder or Mark Prior who are coming off an injury, or just chooseing to go after a Jason Schmidt, Mike Mussina, or even Barry Zito who by the time this bidding war for Matsuzaka is over might come cheaper. Just because they're not after someone doesn't mean they're not trying to improve.</div>Mark Prior, Ronny Cedeno, Jacque Jones, Roberto Novoa, and either Carlos Marmol or Juan Mateo for Miguel Tejada. :drool:
Re: Let the Matsuzaka bidding begin! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Moose87 @ Nov 3 2006, 07:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Mark Prior, Ronny Cedeno, Jacque Jones, Roberto Novoa, and either Carlos Marmol or Juan Mateo for Miguel Tejada. :drool:</div>How about a realistic offer where your not sending away your crap for their star.Unless of course you'll take Shawn Green and Victor Zambrano for Carlos Zambrano.
Re: Let the Matsuzaka bidding begin! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Nov 3 2006, 10:16 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Moose87 @ Nov 3 2006, 07:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Mark Prior, Ronny Cedeno, Jacque Jones, Roberto Novoa, and either Carlos Marmol or Juan Mateo for Miguel Tejada. :drool:</div>How about a realistic offer where your not sending away your crap for their star.Unless of course you'll take Shawn Green and Victor Zambrano for Carlos Zambrano. </div>Prior is not crap, Jones is not crap, Cedeno is not crap, Novoa is not crap, and neither are Marmol and Mateo. They are all decent players, definatly not superstars, but they're decent
