<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2656687The Boston Red Sox may have posted the top bid for the right to negotiate with Japanese right-hander Daisuke Matsuzaka, ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney reported, citing Major League Baseball sources.There has been no official announcement, and the Seibu Lions, Matsuzaka's team in Japan, have until Tuesday to accept or reject the high bid.But Olney is reporting that the Red Sox may have posted the top bid with a figure between $38 million and $45 million, according to Major League Baseball officials who are monitoring the bidding.Matsuzaka, who pitched for Japan's World Baseball Classic champions, is considered among the top prospects available this offseason.If the Lions accept the top bid -- and according to the rules of the process, the team making the high bid is not disclosed to the Japanese team -- the winning bidder has 30 days to reach an agreement with Matsuzaka. If a deal cannot be reached, he would return to the Lions for the 2007 season and become a free agent in the spring of 2008.</div>If that's the price, then Screw Matsuzaka. lol
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Nov 10 2006, 11:43 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2656687The Boston Red Sox may have posted the top bid for the right to negotiate with Japanese right-hander Daisuke Matsuzaka, ESPN The Magazine's Buster Olney reported, citing Major League Baseball sources.There has been no official announcement, and the Seibu Lions, Matsuzaka's team in Japan, have until Tuesday to accept or reject the high bid.But Olney is reporting that the Red Sox may have posted the top bid with a figure between $38 million and $45 million, according to Major League Baseball officials who are monitoring the bidding.Matsuzaka, who pitched for Japan's World Baseball Classic champions, is considered among the top prospects available this offseason.If the Lions accept the top bid -- and according to the rules of the process, the team making the high bid is not disclosed to the Japanese team -- the winning bidder has 30 days to reach an agreement with Matsuzaka. If a deal cannot be reached, he would return to the Lions for the 2007 season and become a free agent in the spring of 2008.</div>If that's the price, then Screw Matsuzaka. lol</div>Daaaaammmmnnnnnnnn!On Baseball Tonight they said the top bid would probably be 20-25 Mil.38 to 45 just to negotiate a contract with the guy is insano. I hope the Red Sox did that, cause that's worse that siging Beckett.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Sources: Red Sox bid high of $42M for MatsuzakaESPN.com news servicesThe Red Sox bid $42 million for the right to negotiate with prized Japanese pitcher Daisuke Matsuzaka, sources told ESPN's Peter Gammons. Boston's bid far exceeded any other team's offer.Matsuzaka will learn Tuesday whether the Seibu Lions have accepted a bid for him by a major league team.Major League Baseball and the Japanese commissioner's office will make simultaneous announcements at 8 p.m. ET Tuesday (10 a.m. Tokyo time Wednesday), MLB spokesman Pat Courtney said Monday at the big league general managers' meetings.</div>http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2660428
Wtf... 51.1 million just for bidding rights? You could buy a whole new Japanese team.Knowing Boras, he'd ask for a $50 million contract too citing the fact the BoSox were willing to shovel out 51.1 million just to talk to him. If the BoSox can't sign him, Boras would hold a grudge against the BoSox and insult the country, and then Matsuzaka wouldn't negotiate with them next year.I don't think Matsuzaka will be pitching in the majors this year. No way he'll take a bargain deal. 2 years $25 million at the minimum I see him making if he does come into the big leagues.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Nov 14 2006, 05:41 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Wtf... 51.1 million just for bidding rights? You could buy a whole new Japanese team.Knowing Boras, he'd ask for a $50 million contract too citing the fact the BoSox were willing to shovel out 51.1 million just to talk to him. If the BoSox can't sign him, Boras would hold a grudge against the BoSox and insult the country, and then Matsuzaka wouldn't negotiate with them next year.I don't think Matsuzaka will be pitching in the majors this year. No way he'll take a bargain deal. 2 years $25 million at the minimum I see him making if he does come into the big leagues.</div>Do you really think Boston would lowball him after offering 51.1 million just to talk to him? Offering 30 milion to talk to Matsuzaka would have been too much, offering 51.1 million is downright rediculous. I see them offering around a 5/60 deal for his services and Boras will probably try and talk them down to a 3/39 deal so that Boras can get Matsuzaka at Free Agency still in his 20's. This is probably singlehandedly going to be the most reckless move in MLB History (More-So then A-Rods contract) as by the time the Posting Fee and Matsuzakas contract are both paid, Boston is going to average somewhere in between 20 and 30 million a year for somebody who has never pitched in the Major Leagues.
It's amazing how quick you guys change your mind.I don't see why everyone is freaking out over it. If you have the money to spend, and it doesn't really effect anything.. why not do it?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Nov 14 2006, 06:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>It's amazing how quick you guys change your mind.I don't see why everyone is freaking out over it. If you have the money to spend, and it doesn't really effect anything.. why not do it?</div>Matsuzaka is going to be a great pitcher, don't get me wrong.But to take a 22-30 million a year gamble on him is downright insanity. Nobody is worth that price.
Investing $80-100 million, including $50 million upfront is a downright huge investment.In fact, if Boston signed Matsuzaka for 3 years 39 million... $90.1 million for 3 years. That would be $30 million a year for Matsuzaka. 4.2 million more than A-Rod made last year.The sensible deal would be 5 years 60 million but still $110 million for 5 years? $22 million for a pitcher that hasn't throw a pitch in the majors? Tying Hall of Famer Roger Clemens 1 year contract last year. 3 more than Mussina. 4.5 more than Pettite. 6 million more than Pedro.The top pitchers (Johan, Halladay, Webb, Sheets, Dontrelle) don't even make close to that much. Johan 4 for 40, Halladay 3 for 40, NL Cy Young Winner Webb 5 for 28 Sheets 4 for 38.5 Dontrelle 1 for 6 (arbitration). These are established pitchers.See how ridiculous that is? Already, the Red Sox are investing $10+ per year no matter how long or small his deal is. More than likely they'll invest at least 15 million if not at least $20 million per year.Unless Matsuzaka posts a 30 game, 30 win, 0 ERA, 0 hits, 0 BBs, a couple perfect games, and at least 15 complete game season and wins every single post season game for the Red Sox via complete game... no pitcher is worth $20+ million.Talk about throwing money down the drain. Maybe Bostonians learned how to grow money on trees...
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Nov 14 2006, 07:20 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The top pitchers (Johan, Halladay, Webb, Sheets, Dontrelle) don't even make close to that much. Johan 4 for 40, Halladay 3 for 40, NL Cy Young Winner Webb 5 for 28 Sheets 4 for 38.5 Dontrelle 1 for 6 (arbitration). These are established pitchers.</div>That's pretty much the long version of what I just said. :thumbsup: The only problem with comparing him against the 'top pitchers' like you said are that these guys are mostly on contracts that will take them through their arbitation years and their big pay-day is yet to come. In 3 years, Dontrelle Willis will be making at least 15 million a year from somebody. It's just the way things work in baseball.
The 51.1M goes to his Japan club, and it doesn't get counted on Boston's payroll or factored into luxury tax calculations.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KyleOrton18 @ Nov 15 2006, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The 51.1M goes to his Japan club, and it doesn't get counted on Boston's payroll or factored into luxury tax calculations.</div>You're correct on that, but they still have to pay the money and it's coming from somebody's pockets. :whistling:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Nov 16 2006, 11:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KyleOrton18 @ Nov 15 2006, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The 51.1M goes to his Japan club, and it doesn't get counted on Boston's payroll or factored into luxury tax calculations.</div>You're correct on that, but they still have to pay the money and it's coming from somebody's pockets. :whistling:</div>So?? They obviously have that money or else they wouldn't bid for him
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KyleOrton18 @ Nov 16 2006, 04:00 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Nov 16 2006, 11:04 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KyleOrton18 @ Nov 15 2006, 05:06 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>The 51.1M goes to his Japan club, and it doesn't get counted on Boston's payroll or factored into luxury tax calculations.</div>You're correct on that, but they still have to pay the money and it's coming from somebody's pockets. :whistling:</div>So?? They obviously have that money or else they wouldn't bid for him</div>For 90 or so mil over 3 years they could sign Schmidt, Zito, and someone else.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KyleOrton18 @ Nov 18 2006, 10:40 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Would you be saying this if oh say the Cubs or the Yuckies made that bid??</div>I said 25 was too high a bid for my Yankees (who actually bid in 3rd place at 30 mil). If my team was set to shell out 100 mil over for years/90 mil over 3 years for Matsuzaka I'd be pissed, yeah. Because we could buy 2 quality starting pitchers and a role player or two for that amount.Even if Matsuzaka wins like Johan Santana (I doubt it, but hey) then the Red Sox still have to find a way to win some of those games in between his starts with guys who are over the hill (Cut Schilling) or have a 5 run ERA (Josh Beckett) or are new to the rotation (Paplebon [sp?]).Essentially what would you rather have, 1 25 game winner or 2 18 game winners, a quality mid-reliever, and a pinch hitter.
