<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iknobaer @ Nov 25 2006, 07:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Jon Vilma, how can you type on your computer that if the Yankees didn't have Derek Jeter, let's say you replace him with a below average shortstop, the Yankees wouldnt make the playoffs? They had freakin Robinson Cano batting last. A lack of a couple of "amazing" defensive plays and one bad offensive player doesnt exclude your team from the playoffs. You guys easily would have made it.Put in a below average 1B on the Twins for Morneau. No chance in hell they make the playoffs in that division.You can argue all you want Santana carried the Twins. Every 5 games, yeah, the Twins were the best team in baseball. But what happened in the other days? Justin Morneau, that's what happened</div>What happened in the other days? They were a .500 team essentially. That's what happens with the Amazing Morneau.
dude, take morneau out of the twins offensethat team would win 70 games tops, even if santana went 34-0take jeter out of the yankees lineup, they still win 90+ games
Don't the Twins still have Tori Hunter and Joe Mauer both who had really good seasons. Mauer won the batting title and Hunter came back on a hot streak from the injury.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iknobaer @ Nov 26 2006, 01:24 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>dude, take morneau out of the twins offensethat team would win 70 games tops, even if santana went 34-0take jeter out of the yankees lineup, they still win 90+ games</div>I know I'm a Yankee fan, but I haven't even been arguing for Jeter, you know? That's not my motivation here. Yeah he got screwed because he is a Yankee, but that's not even what I've been talking about. There were many players besides the one who won who carried their teams more....And without Jeter the Yankees wouldn't have won 90+, without him, the AL East would have been a 3 way battle at the finish.... sound familiar?
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KyleOrton18 @ Nov 26 2006, 01:01 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>^The Boston Massacre would still occur w/o Jeter, and that's what lead the Yankees to the division</div>I'm not saying the Yankees wouldn't have won it without Jeter, but it would have been a 3 way race at the end. And you can't deny that teams are motivated more when they are in a race for the division crown (So it would have been tougher to beat Toronto and Boston to it.Without Johan the Twins would have been out of contention in the end, and not even in the playoffs. They were an average team without him. Yes Morneau's bat helped, but so did Mauer's, Hunter's, Cuddyer's, and Castillo's. All of them having a career year and the Twins were still an average team, until Santana carried them to the playoffs.Frank Thomas carried the A's more than Morneau carried the Twins.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iknobaer @ Nov 26 2006, 01:13 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>so you think Frank shouldve won MVP?</div>He deserved it more than Morneau did.
Lets go back in time...[quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='76342' date='Nov 26 2006, 03:10 PM'][quote name='KyleOrton18' post='76340' date='Nov 26 2006, 01:01 PM']^The Boston Massacre would still occur w/o Jeter, and that's what lead the Yankees to the division[/quote]I'm not saying the Yankees wouldn't have won it without Jeter, but it would have been a 3 way race at the end.[/quote][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='76144' date='Nov 24 2006, 04:31 PM'][quote name='Brooksie5' post='76136' date='Nov 24 2006, 01:49 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='76104' date='Nov 24 2006, 04:33 AM'][quote name='MaroonNGold' post='76053' date='Nov 23 2006, 11:50 AM']Sorry Yanks fans. But Michal Cuddyer beat out Jeter in every stat but batting average. Congrats Justin.[/quote]So... carrying your team to success counts for nothing now?[/quote]Not to you. Morneau carried the Twins... Jeter helped the Yankees greatly, but they would've made the playoffs without him.[/quote]No the Yankees wouldn't have.[/quote]Interesting...
lol. But the Boston Massacre would still have occured, and that is when the Yankees ran away with it.
[quote name='Brooksie5' post='76348' date='Nov 26 2006, 01:58 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='76342' date='Nov 26 2006, 03:10 PM'][quote name='KyleOrton18' post='76340' date='Nov 26 2006, 01:01 PM']^The Boston Massacre would still occur w/o Jeter, and that's what lead the Yankees to the division[/quote]I'm not saying the Yankees wouldn't have won it without Jeter, but it would have been a 3 way race at the end.[/quote]Lets go back in time...[quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='76144' date='Nov 24 2006, 04:31 PM'][quote name='Brooksie5' post='76136' date='Nov 24 2006, 01:49 PM'][quote name='Jon_Vilma' post='76104' date='Nov 24 2006, 04:33 AM'][quote name='MaroonNGold' post='76053' date='Nov 23 2006, 11:50 AM']Sorry Yanks fans. But Michal Cuddyer beat out Jeter in every stat but batting average. Congrats Justin.[/quote]So... carrying your team to success counts for nothing now?[/quote]Not to you. Morneau carried the Twins... Jeter helped the Yankees greatly, but they would've made the playoffs without him.[/quote]No the Yankees wouldn't have.[/quote]Interesting...[/quote] :LMAO:
I screwed up that thing. Let me fix it (if I can).The "Let's go back in time" isn't supposed to be in a quote.. I had to move it to get it out of one.. but it's not in one now.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KyleOrton18 @ Nov 26 2006, 01:02 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>lol. But the Boston Massacre would still have occured, and that is when the Yankees ran away with it.</div>considering that Jeter got the "big hit" (winning RBI, run etc) in 2 of the 5 games, nope.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KyleOrton18 @ Nov 26 2006, 05:26 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>^so you're saying that Abrue, Damon, A-Rod, HGH, etc don't produce it?? </div>So in your mind if a player's teammates produce, that he can't still carry a team? So Frank Thomas is the ONLY choice?
how can you say that Morneau did not carry his team. Sure, Santana carried his team, but only every 5 days. What the hell happened those other days? Twins just sucking their nuts? I dont think so. Morneau was carrying this team on offense. Without Morneau, this team doesnt come close to the playoffs.Santana could go 34-0, and this team wouldnt make the playoffs without Morneau.Jeter couldve been injured all year, and teh Yankees still would have EASILY!!! made the playoffs. You can argue that all you want, but when you have someone like Robinson Cano batting 9th, then you know you could surrender one fucking player.Im not saying Jeter isnt worthy, but he did not carry his team as much as Morneau did, and Frank Thomas may have carried his team, but thats not the only stat. You also have to have really good stats, and all Thomas can do is hit a hr, nothing else. Morneau was great all the way around.
Casstio has a career year? He batted under .300 and was hurt down the stretch. Hunter did not have a career year earthier. He had a career home run year. I guess that's the main stat for the Yanks but the Twins don't get carried but HR's. Also in the last three starts for Santana while the Twins made a final surge. Santana pitched some of his worst baseball of the year. That's not carrying you're team.
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Nov 25 2006, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What happened in the other days? They were a .500 team essentially. That's what happens with the Amazing Morneau.</div>So by that logic, Ryan Howard shouldn't have been the MVP, right? :thumbsup:
<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Nov 29 2006, 02:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Nov 25 2006, 11:19 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What happened in the other days? They were a .500 team essentially. That's what happens with the Amazing Morneau.</div>So by that logic, Ryan Howard shouldn't have been the MVP, right? :thumbsup:</div>Nope, I agree with Pujols.
