Re: Pettitte signs with the Yankees!!! :beerbang2: :beerbang2: :beerbang2: :beerbang2: :beerbang2: 1 Year, 16 million dollar deal. Wang-Pettitte-Mussina-RJ...... Oh, and when Clemens signs with us in July Wang-Clemens-Pettitte-Mussina-Randy Johnson as our 5th. :drool:
Re: Pettitte signs with the Yankees!!! dunno about the clemens part, as he is much more connected with Houston than Pettite was. But im glad to see Pettite back in pinstripes
Re: Pettitte signs with the Yankees!!! Getting more than fucking Zito will probably be getting (per year). Over paid. But I guess the Yanks needed him, so mise well dish the cash out.
Re: Pettitte signs with the Yankees!!! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Dec 8 2006, 11:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Getting more than fucking Zito will probably be getting (per year). Over paid. But I guess the Yanks needed him, so mise well dish the cash out.</div>Getting only 0.4 Mil more per year than Schmidt who he's better than, plus he's a lefty.... yeah, a good deal.
Re: Pettitte signs with the Yankees!!! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Dec 8 2006, 10:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Dec 8 2006, 11:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Getting more than fucking Zito will probably be getting (per year). Over paid. But I guess the Yanks needed him, so mise well dish the cash out.</div>Getting only 0.4 Mil more per year than Schmidt who he's better than, plus he's a lefty.... yeah, a good deal.</div>Jason Schmidt 2006 - 11-9, 3.59 ERA, 1.26 WHIPAndy Pettitte 2006 - 14-13, 4.20 ERA, 1.44 WHIP
Re: Pettitte signs with the Yankees!!! I'd take Schmidt over Pettitte, and I'm sure almost all non-Yankee fans would agree.
Re: Pettitte signs with the Yankees!!! I would. Pettitte has a history of injury problems. Schmidt has been able to stay healthy his entire career
Re: Pettitte signs with the Yankees!!! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Dec 9 2006, 07:11 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Dec 8 2006, 10:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Dec 8 2006, 11:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Getting more than fucking Zito will probably be getting (per year). Over paid. But I guess the Yanks needed him, so mise well dish the cash out.</div>Getting only 0.4 Mil more per year than Schmidt who he's better than, plus he's a lefty.... yeah, a good deal.</div>Jason Schmidt 2006 - 11-9, 3.59 ERA, 1.26 WHIPAndy Pettitte 2006 - 14-13, 4.20 ERA, 1.44 WHIP </div>Cool, 2006 numbers are the only ones that count? You're awesome then. You'd have thought that Jared Wright and Carl Pavano would AMAZING signings consider they both has stellar years the year before. How about the past 3 years?Schmidt: 3.67 ERAPettitte: 3.37 ERAOh, and lets not forget that Andy Pettitte is a proven big-game pitcher who has multiple World Series Wins.You're Yankee hate is strong, but you are wrong. And you know I'm not being a homer because I said Pettitte was better than Schmidt and Zito before he went back to the Yankees. You didn't argue this point until after he went to the Yankees.
Re: Pettitte signs with the Yankees!!! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (KyleOrton18 @ Dec 9 2006, 11:45 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I would. Pettitte has a history of injury problems. Schmidt has been able to stay healthy his entire career</div>Pettitte: 1 injury year under 100 inningsSchmidt: 1 injury year under 100 innings.Try again.
Re: Pettitte signs with the Yankees!!! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Dec 9 2006, 10:55 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'd take Schmidt over Pettitte, and I'm sure almost all non-Yankee fans would agree.</div>As I just pointed out, I was saying Pettitte > Schmidt (and Zito) before he went back. No one argued this until after he went back to the Yankees..... except iknobaer who said Greg Maddux was better than all of them.
Re: Pettitte signs with the Yankees!!! Keith Law (You know, one of those Baseball Experts who are Employed to follow the MLB) on the topic:<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Absalom returns home, although this story is likely to end better both for Andy Pettitte and for the kingdom of the Bronx.The Yankees gave Pettitte a two-year deal, since the second year is a player option, but even at two years the Yankees have to be pleased with the contract. Pettitte is just seven months older than Jason Schmidt, who received a three-year deal, and has a stronger resume, with a long history of success in the American League. Signing Pettitte gives them a potential rotation of Mussina-Wang-Pettitte-Johnson-Igawa (if they sign him), which would be one of the best rotations in the league if Johnson is healthy and can return just to his form of mid-2006. Jeff Karstens is the sixth man; Tyler Clippard and Philip Hughes both start the season in AAA; and Carl Pavano is still in extended spring training on Labor Day.Losing Pettitte puts Houston in a bind, as its rotation now comprises Roy Oswalt, sophomore Jason Hirsh, 40-year-old fifth starter Woody Williams ... and not much else. They need at least one and arguably two more middle-of-the-rotation starters to be contenders in the weak NL Central. If they don't do so, their acquisition of Carlos Lee will turn out to be money poorly spent; they'll have upgraded their offense only to see their run-prevention ability wither on the vine.The elephant in the room is Roger Clemens, whose decision on if and where to play in 2007 is assumed to hinge in part on Pettitte's decision. I'm not sure that it's as big of a variable as some folks are making it out to be; Clemens is a decade older than Pettitte and will certainly have different priorities. He has a son playing in the Astros' system, which should be a major draw on him to stay with Houston. He's also indicated that he wants to go to a winning team. And while adding Pettitte makes the Yankees almost a lock to be a contender in '07, they were contenders before the signing as well.</div>Specifically:<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Pettitte is just seven months older than Jason Schmidt... and has a stronger resume, with a long history of success in the American League.</div>So suck on it.
Re: Pettitte signs with the Yankees!!! Buster Olney (ESPN's Top MLB Expert) on it:<div class='quotetop'>QUOTE </div><div class='quotemain'>Now the Yankees have signed Andy Pettitte and he is about as close to a sure thing as the Yankees could ever hope to find on the market. He comes relatively cheaply for New York: Gil Meche has 125 fewer career victories than Pettitte and yet he cost $39 million more in guaranteed dollars than Pettitte, who will make $16 million in '07 and has a $16 million player option for '08.Pettitte didn't have a great year in '06, finishing 14-13, but <u>he had an exceptional second half, going 7-4 with a 2.80 ERA, allowing just a .249 batting average to opposing hitters.</u>And above all, Pettitte knows New York and is comfortable pitching for the Yankees, mostly because he is uniquely uncomplicated in a complicated world. He has always managed to simplify his work. Pettitte lowers the bill of his cap to block out the crowd and focus only on the catcher's glove. He has never been overly concerned with scouting reports, preferring that his catchers do the heavy mental lifting: He'd much rather rubber-stamp the signs put down by his batterymate. Fastball? Sure thing. Curve? OK, whatever you say. Cutter inside? No problem. He had this relationship with Jorge Posada.Stuff like discontented crowds has never really bothered him. What sticks with him, instead, are personal matters. I remember, when I covered the Yankees, how Pettitte once had a terrible game on a getaway day in Toronto, and said flatly afterward that he was homesick and missed his kids and had let himself get distracted by this -- an extraordinarily rare admission for any player.Another time, in the midst of his slump, his wife had questioned his toughness, and asked him what was wrong with him -- and when he relayed this story, the beat writers all looked around at each other as if to say: Is he kidding? Pettitte was just being honest, and wasn't worried about whether his conversation with his wife would wind up on a tabloid headline.Andy struggled horribly in the first half of the 1999 season, and at the behest of owner George Steinbrenner, the Yankees quietly told other teams, including the Phillies, to make their best offers for the lefty. A couple of sources told me about this, and the day before the story was to be published, I went to Pettitte to ask a couple of questions for the piece -- and to give him a heads-up.Pettitte was being paid $5.95 million that year, and I explained to him that Steinbrenner was concerned about Pettitte's salary climbing dramatically, through arbitration (the Yankees had just lost two arbitration cases that spring). They're worried you might make $7 million or $8 million next year, I told him.His ERA was over 5.00, he was getting knocked all over the place, and Andy looked at me and asked, earnestly: "If I'm having a bad year, why would I get a raise in arbitration?"It was the question owners had been asking for years. But Pettitte didn't really worry about that, didn't fret over the nonessentials, and that's the best way you can be in New York. <u>He remains a perfect fit for the Yankees rotation.</u></div>Continue Sucking on it.
Re: Pettitte signs with the Yankees!!! Are you going to cry because we don't like Pettitte? Because we think Schmidt is better? Yeah, you can go cry and pout some more. I'd still take Schmidt over Pettitte.And you out of all people shouldn't bring some MLB/ESPN guys into this. You always say how stupid they are when they go against your team, now they are saying good stuff about the Yankees and you're trying to make it seem like they are Einstein.
Re: Pettitte signs with the Yankees!!! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Dec 9 2006, 02:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Are you going to cry because we don't like Pettitte? Because we think Schmidt is better? Yeah, you can go cry and pout some more. I'd still take Schmidt over Pettitte.And you out of all people shouldn't bring some MLB/ESPN guys into this. You always say how stupid they are when they go against your team, now they are saying good stuff about the Yankees and you're trying to make it seem like they are Einstein.</div>Actually that's Adrop. I've always maintained that Experts are Experts for a reason, they should just be taken with a grain of salt.Don't get all huffy because I'm right. I'm not crying, I've presented a winning argument and you don't like that. Your Yankee hate is too strong.
Re: Pettitte signs with the Yankees!!! <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Jon_Vilma @ Dec 9 2006, 01:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Buster Olney (ESPN's Top MLB Expert) on it:Continue Sucking on it.</div>First of all, we NEVER HAD the debate before he signed with the Yankees, and if we had I would have said the exact same thing. It has nothing to do with hateing on the Yankees, as much as it is that I just believe that Jason Schmidt is the better pitcher right now. - Schmidt is younger (by one year)- Schmidt has been more durable as of recently (Schmidt 200 Innings, Pettitte 174 Innings per year for the past 5 years)- Schmidt has better stuff- Schmidt strikes out more guys- Schmidt walks less guys- Schmidt throws more pitches per game- Schmidt allows a lower Batting Average, Slugging Percentage, OPS Against....and if Schmidt wasn't trapped in Pittsburgh for half of his career his W/L record would likely be as good, if not better then Pettitte's. Sadly enough, you want to chalk everything I say that doesn't agree with your rosey homer point of view as 'hateing' when I actually thought he was a good signing for you guys. I was just simply pointing out that I thought Schmidt was a better pitcher. But whatever, keep acting like an egotistical jackass about it, I'm sure that'll get you far in life.
Re: Pettitte signs with the Yankees!!! [quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='77606' date='Dec 9 2006, 04:36 PM']- Schmidt is younger (by one year)[/quote]7 months[quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='77606' date='Dec 9 2006, 04:36 PM']- Schmidt has been more durable as of recently (Schmidt 200 Innings, Pettitte 174 Innings per year for the past 5 years)[/quote] Since 1996 (first year both were full time starters) Pettitte has 200 innings 8 times, Schmidt has 200 innings 6 times. You used the phrase "as of recently." Which is why I point out Pettitte has over 200 innings 3 of the past 4 years, only not hitting the mark his 1 injury year (which Schmidt has 1 of himself). Schmidt has over 200 innings only 3 of his last 4 years as well.[quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='77606' date='Dec 9 2006, 04:36 PM']- Schmidt has better stuff[/quote]Lets compare (numbers provided by ESPN Insider's Keith Law)Schmidt:92-95 MPH Fastball81 MPH Changeup that has a "slight fade"low-80's MPH Tight Slider.Pettitte:91 MPH Four Seam Fastball88-90 MPH Cut Fastball73 MPH Changeup70-76 MPH 11-5 Curve with a "late break"low-80's "solid" sliderSchmidt throws a faster fastball, and a tighter slider, but Pettitte has a slower changeup (the more space between the Changeup and the Fastball the better), a Cutter, and a good curve. So Schmidt might have a better fastball and slider, but Pettitte has a better Curve and Changeup and throws more pitches (curve and cutter) So Pettitte has better stuff IMO. But if you want to claim the faster fastball and tighter slider beats out everything else, well then that's your opinion.[quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='77606' date='Dec 9 2006, 04:36 PM']- Schmidt strikes out more guys[/quote]Pettitte was 15th and Schmidt was 13th. There isn't a huge difference there, but yeah, he K's more guys. Aaron Harang also has more K's than guys like Chris Carpenter and Carlos Zambrano. [quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='77606' date='Dec 9 2006, 04:36 PM']- Schmidt walks less guys[/quote]Last year, yes, last 3 years no (on average and total).[quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='77606' date='Dec 9 2006, 04:36 PM']- Schmidt throws more pitches per game[/quote]So a 30 pitch inning is better than a 10 pitch inning? I'll take the less wear and tear and the quicker innings.[quote name='AdropOFvenom' post='77606' date='Dec 9 2006, 04:36 PM']- Schmidt allows a lower Batting Average, Slugging Percentage, OPS Against.[/quote]Pettitte has a better K/9, less SB allowed, and ERA (you know, the one that counts the most)
Re: Pettitte signs with the Yankees!!! Has Pettitte ever been able to throw 150 pitches in a game?? I remember Schmidt doing that a few times
Re: Pettitte signs with the Yankees!!! umm u dont actually want your SPs to throw 150 pitches. id rather have a guy who can throw the same # of innings, with 100 pitches
