Re: GaMeTiMe's Mock Draft Thread <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Jan 7 2007, 08:45 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I'm not sure on Jamaal Anderson as a DE, he might be too small for the 3-4 DE unless he bulks up for the Pro's . I'll reserve judgement until he weighs in at the Combine though. Id love the second round though, although id be torn between Grubbs and Staley in that spot. I dont agree with some of your second rounders though. Kenny Irons - Titans. Travis Henry, Lendale White, Chris BrownFred Bennett - Packers. Charles Woodson, Al HarrisGreg Olsen is too low, Brandon Meriweather and Arron Sears are too high IMO</div>Jamaal Anderson is almost the same size as Carriker, however I think he's worlds better. Him going to the Jets in the first has me bumping Carriker from both rounds.Chris Brown is as good as gone and I'm thinking Travis Henry may be right behind him. I would think they want Henry back, but until I hear more about it I think the Titans would love an Irons/White combo, even if Irons isn't an ideal "lightning" to White's "thunder".Al Harris is getting older and you can obviously say the same about Woodson. The Packers need a safety but aren't able to grab one in the first two rounds, so a switch to free safety for Woodson should once again be discussed. Not to mention there's no depth after the two.Not enough teams need tight ends..Everyone lists teams like Cincy and Carolina, but they've shown more than enough times that they don't value the positions in the passing game. I think everyone else is set and better off with the direction I have them going in.Merriweather to the Chargers is only because safety is their only first round need IMO. He's got the talent, he just has to prove he's going to behave himself.Sears' stock continues to rise, and I think the Bears would love him as their backup at both RG and RT, and eventually starter at one of the positions in a year or two.And just a side note, Jon Beason (OLB, Miami Florida) has yet to be accounted for. I'll let you know when it's taken care of.
Re: GaMeTiMe's Mock Draft Thread The one's I strongly disagree with in your 2nd round are as follows:37) Arizona Cardinals – LaMarr Woodley | Defensive End | Michigan - I highly doubt Woodley falls out of the first round. If he does, I don't think he lasts past Detroit to go in a young string of LB's matching the other side of Ernie Simms, in other words, domination.39) Minnesota Vikings – Dwayne Bowe | Wide Receiver | L.S.U. - I do not see the Vikings wasting another first day pick on a WR this year. MAYBE they will for a 3rd rounder, but I expect a 4th or 5th rounder to be the WR pick because they have picked too many WR's too high in the past few years.46) Carolina Panthers – Troy Smith | Quarterback | Ohio St. - You have the Bucs with Calvin Johnson in the first round, but pass up on the 2nd round on a Heisman winner? I do not see Smith falling this far anyhow, but the Bucs cannot be happy with Gradkowski, especially if they have resigned Simms to a 1 year deal.48) Green Bay Packers – Fred Bennett | Cornerback | South Carolina - As ADOV said, Woodson and Harris are already good. There is no way Woodson is old and becoming a safety.49) Jacksonville Jaguars – Craig Davis | Wide Receiver | L.S.U. - The WR's for Jax are starting to find their niche. Williams was probably their best at the beginning of the year and at the end Matt Jones and especially Wilford started emerging. There is no reason for a 2nd round pick wasted on another WR.55) Dallas Cowboys – Johnnie Lee Higgins | Wide Receiver | U.T.E.P. - This one is hard to say, but shall TO return next year, then this will likely never happen.62) Baltimore Ravens – Tony Hunt | Running Back | Penn St. - The Ravens haven't lost faith in Jamal Lewis. Baasically the Ravens are idiots because they still believe in him despite his slacking off every season since his amazing year. He got back on track somewhat this year, so I don't see them drafting a RB with success they've had this year... Maybe a WR.64) San Diego Chargers – Chansi Stuckey | Wide Receiver | Clemson - This kind of links to your first round choice with them. I think the Chargers feel safe enough at their S spots that they won't go for Meriweather 1st round. They can use the pick as trade value for something otherwise, or just draft a WR in the 1st round, because right now, that is their biggest of problems.
Re: GaMeTiMe's Mock Draft Thread <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GaMeTiMe @ Jan 1 2007, 04:07 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><u>GaMeTiMe's Mock Draft: Last Updated <span style="color:red">1/8/07</span></u>26) New York Jets ? Jamaal Anderson | Defensive End | Arkansas38) New York Jets (f/WAS) ? Joe Staley | Offensive Tackle | Central Michigan58) New York Jets ? Brian Leonard | Running Back | Rutgers</div>I could handle that.
Re: GaMeTiMe's Mock Draft Thread just a couple commentsi still think calvin johnson will be the 1st pick in the draft, you gotta believe that moss and porter are out of OAK after this year, someone has to be a WRi still dont think the 49ers would pass on Jarretti may cry if hughes falls that farwhere is desmond bishop?
Re: GaMeTiMe's Mock Draft Thread Just for the record, I've heard Jamaal Anderson is at best about 275. If he weighs in at 285 or more I'd obviously eat those words. Which is why I said I'd reserve judgment until we get an accurate weight number.
Re: GaMeTiMe's Mock Draft Thread <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (iknobaer @ Jan 7 2007, 09:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>i still think calvin johnson will be the 1st pick in the draft, you gotta believe that moss and porter are out of OAK after this year, someone has to be a WR</div>I would have believed that if Art Shell was still in town as he's the coach they clashed with, but both of their values are too low right now to trade them they need a QB worse then a WR IMO.
Re: GaMeTiMe's Mock Draft Thread <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GaMeTiMe @ Jan 7 2007, 11:34 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>He'd definitely be a steal that late and may eventually replace Pitcock in the first. However his attitude and drive are both in question, so he's going to have to impress in workouts to make people forget that he may not be the best player on the field mentally/emotionally.The thing I love most about Tank is that even after Mario Williams and Manny Lawson were drafted, he played at a high level and has almost cemented himself as a top 50 pick in the draft. Really makes you wonder about Williams and Lawson and just how much credit you can give to one or the other for the two's success at NC State.</div>Don't forget John McCargo and future first day draft pick Demario Pressley. it's pretty crazy that there were potentially 5 first round draft picks on one defensive front.. too bad our offense sucked that year.
Re: GaMeTiMe's Mock Draft Thread [quote name='Capt. Comeback' date='Jan 7 2007, 08:58 PM' post='80290']The one's I strongly disagree with in your 2nd round are as follows:37) Arizona Cardinals – LaMarr Woodley | Defensive End | Michigan - I highly doubt Woodley falls out of the first round. If he does, I don't think he lasts past Detroit to go in a young string of LB's matching the other side of Ernie Simms, in other words, domination.[/quote]What teams would he make a better pick for in the first? And Woodley is a 4-3 DE, not OLB. The Vikings are looking at the possibility of letting both Travis Taylor and Troy Williamson walk, on top of Marcus Robinson a few weeks ago. Without their top three receivers from last year, all three already unimpressive, they should be looking WR in the first ROUND instead of just the first day. Heisman trophies mean absolutely nothing, I shouldn't have to explain that. And they re-signed Simms for a reason, if they let him walk then obviously a QB would make sense. It will be Simms/veteran/Gradkowski in Tampa next season. There is no way Woodson is old? :glare:
Re: GaMeTiMe's Mock Draft Thread <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (PurplePeopleEaters @ Jan 8 2007, 09:59 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Don't forget John McCargo and future first day draft pick Demario Pressley. it's pretty crazy that there were potentially 5 first round draft picks on one defensive front.. too bad our offense sucked that year.</div>Yeah well what I was getting at is that Tank was able to perform with and without Williams/Lawson on the field with him. We've yet to see how McCargo would play without the two stud ends on the outsides.
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Re: GaMeTiMe's Mock Draft Thread <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GaMeTiMe @ Jan 8 2007, 03:25 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>What teams would he make a better pick for in the first? And Woodley is a 4-3 DE, not OLB.The Vikings are looking at the possibility of letting both Travis Taylor and Troy Williamson walk, on top of Marcus Robinson a few weeks ago. Without their top three receivers from last year, all three already unimpressive, they should be looking WR in the first ROUND instead of just the first day.Heisman trophies mean absolutely nothing, I shouldn't have to explain that. And they re-signed Simms for a reason, if they let him walk then obviously a QB would make sense. It will be Simms/veteran/Gradkowski in Tampa next season.There is no way Woodson is old? :glare: People said the same thing at the end of last season. A deep threat can definitely be used on this offense. Matt Jones is the currently the fastest receiver on the roster, but I think he can be more of a #1 receiver in the sense that he makes the deep catches and can also thrive in the short passing game. Williams and Wilford are pure possession guys. WR isn't their biggest need, but definitely one of their only ones.Lewis is getting older and Mike Anderson has fallen out of favor. Behind them, Musa Smith is always talked about but just can't stay healthy, and may have had his final shot at significant time this season. The Ravens can definitely use some nice youth at the running back position.WR probably wouldn't be considered for Baltimore until the last round or two of the draft..Care to elaborate more on why they feel safe at safety? And I haven't seen how WR has been a problem. It's not glowing with talent, but problem shouldn't be the word used to describe it.</div>Do you have any clue as to how Woodley plays? You didn't watch one Michigan game this year besides the Rose Bowl did you?The Vikings have a tough reach this year on a WR. They won't be taking Ginn that high, but Johnson and Jarrett don't exactly look like they are falling in place. WR isn't their biggest problem right now.Did I say Heisman Trophies mean anything? You still believe that Simms and Gradkowski can lead a team? There is no way in hell that either of them would have a job at the end of the year if they draft Smith. Wonder why that's the case... :whistling: Woodson is at his prime age pal... 30 is getting there, but it isn't old. Rodney Harrison is old...Care to make sense? You just said Matt Jones is a #1 receiver, then you tell us Williams and Wilford are possesion guys... What else do you want... another #1 WR?Why do the Ravens need a RB if Jamal is still young, getting back on track, has a nice young cat behind him, that isn't needed even if he is injured. Lewis has kept it on track... Now, tell me why the Ravens wouldn't need a WR. Mason who is probably about the age wherer he has 1, maybe two if lucky, good years left in him. They have one other WR besides that, well at least that can catch. Where is the depth? Mason is gone in another year or two, and then what... depend on a rookie then to take over the 2nd WR spot, maybe the 1st?!Ummm... how can you tell me they aren't safe at the DB positions? They have Kiel and McCree, and quite frankly Hart sees his spot in there quite a bit. None of them have done anything under than be quite a trio. All they need is depth at the CB position, mainly a dime package guy.
Re: GaMeTiMe's Mock Draft Thread [quote name='Capt. Comeback' post='80356' date='Jan 8 2007, 05:19 PM']Do you have any clue as to how Woodley plays? You didn't watch one Michigan game this year besides the Rose Bowl did you?[/quote]I watched more than the Rose Bowl, thanks. Care to elaborate? He's a pass rusher, and in the 4-3, that's the job of the defensive end. That's exactly why I have them waiting until the second round, where they don't have to reach, but instead get a possible steal. I believe that with solid protection and consistant performance from his receivers, Simms can succeed. They re-signed him for a reason. You're telling me Charles Woodson is currently in his prime? No, but ideally you have your #1 receiver, the guy that can do it all, and a speed/deep threat lined up across from him to keep the defense honest. Wilford and Williams cannot fill that role for Jones. Mason is only two years older than Charles Woodson :whistling: If their "one other WR" is Mark Clayton, then you're forgetting about Demetrius Williams. Kiel and McCree?? They've been trying to replace Kiel for years, and McCree has been a predictable free agent bust. Hart gets in there because the starters can't get it done. I don't see how they've been quite a trio. They're not going to go and waste a first round pick on a corner when they just drafted Cromartie, and Jammer/Florence have been decent at the worst. One of the two will be replaced in the starting lineup by Cromartie anyway, likely Florence.
Re: GaMeTiMe's Mock Draft Thread Apparently not. Woodley is a great pass rusher, but he is also a good voer LB. You watched what, a whole 2-4 other Michigan games? I watched every single one of their games, and I missed only one. Woodley does more than just pass rush. But either way, because you seem to think that a 4-3 defense is all about the pass rushing DE's, and I guess that means the OLB's are for coverage and run support... I'll just have you know that when Simms was at FSU, he was a pass rusher just like Woodley, and now he leads the NFL team in tackles and is a 4-3 OLB, not a DE. Umm... apparently you don't see right. The Vikings do not need a high round pick for a WR. They have more concerns right now. The biggest concerns right now on offense, are the position of Tarvaris Jackson, the defense, mainly at safety, DE, and any LB spot. Umm, yea key words in there are solid protection... Not going to happen to a fallen Super Bowl team. They are in rebuild mode, not let's go out and win the Super Bowl mode. Right now they are aiming for a future, not a present. Yes, I am. Ideally you have a #1 WR, with a guy that can do it all? That's what a #1 WR does buddy. Most teams have a possession guy as the #2, and the slot sometimes needs speed, unless you have guys like Wilford, who somehow appears as a possession to you... Did you ever see him run after the catch, or just somehow create passing lanes for Leftwich and Garrard? He's more than just a possession. Ummm..... Mason is only 2 years older than Woodson is the wrong answer. Saying that a WR is only 2 years older than a CB has nothing to do with it. Woodson is in his prime area of his career where Mason is past his prime and slowing up. 2 years is a long time difference at that age. Ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........... lol? Kiel has been one of the better things in their DB area. They have been trying to get rid of him is a new one. If this was true, why would they have the Eli trade and the other trade with the pick where Vick was taken, then with those other picks, why would they not have chosen a safety? The Vick draft pick may have been before Kiel, I don't know for certain, but explain the other picks.... An OLB, a PK, a QB, and RB, but now they've been trying to get rid of him for years now? Yea, come up with some kind of better idea, because there is no talk about Kiel losing his spot in the mere future.
Re: GaMeTiMe's Mock Draft Thread Wow, I'm really not trying to upset you here buddy, take a deep breath. So for now you can "Ummmmmmmm" your way out of this thread. When you want to grow up and lose the sarcasm and childish attitude you can come back. I have responses to some of your points, but obviously you're getting a bit too sarcastic and/or heated here so take some time to chill and let me know when you're ok to continue. I'm not going to lower myself to that level.
Re: GaMeTiMe's Mock Draft Thread Why would you respond with that? Did I perhaps defeat some of your thoughts or are you just tired of saying things that don't matter? You sure upset me, and you showed how childish I am for being sarcastic and by answering with my opinion's and facts of support. If I considered something childish here, it's that you can't take criticism on your on work, despte asking our thoughts.I'll be back later when I grow up. I'm currently "ummmmmmmmmm'ing" my way out of another situation. Thanks for the concern anyway.
Re: GaMeTiMe's Mock Draft Thread <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GaMeTiMe @ Jan 8 2007, 06:21 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><u>I have responses to some of your points,</u> but obviously you're getting a bit too sarcastic and/or heated here so take some time to chill and let me know when you're ok to continue.</div>Hence the reason I put that in there
Re: GaMeTiMe's Mock Draft Thread Hence the reason you refuse to talk to me in football terms, but instead you blow it off telling me I'm childish for trying to get some kind of answers straight and maybe caring about your thoughts?You do realize that you basically wish to refuse to talk football because you have a little heat to deal with, right? That, to me, makes no sense, seeing as this is your topic.. Am I wrong?
Re: GaMeTiMe's Mock Draft Thread <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ Jan 8 2007, 06:55 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Hence the reason you refuse to talk to me in football terms, but instead you blow it off telling me I'm childish for trying to get some kind of answers straight and maybe caring about your thoughts?You do realize that you basically wish to refuse to talk football because you have a little heat to deal with, right? That, to me, makes no sense, seeing as this is your topic.. Am I wrong?</div>I'm in no way shying away from heat, but the constant obnoxious "ummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm's" and questioning if I even know what I'm talking about doesn't warrant a mature response.
Re: GaMeTiMe's Mock Draft Thread Just so you know, the "ummmm's" that I tend to use are me thinking. I just want to clarify that in no way am I trying to be obnoxious... I type the way I speak, and I know most people say "umm" or "uhh" when they are thinking. Just a clarification.
Re: GaMeTiMe's Mock Draft Thread <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Capt. Comeback @ Jan 8 2007, 07:07 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Just so you know, the "ummmm's" that I tend to use are me thinking. I just want to clarify that in no way am I trying to be obnoxious... I type the way I speak, and I know most people say "umm" or "uhh" when they are thinking. Just a clarification.</div>Oh, well that definitely helps then Simple miscommunication there, I figured it was you sarcastically making what you thought was an obvious point. Sorry about that
