Combine Riser/Faller IMO.

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    Note: This is based entirely on my opinion on what I have seen/heard on the NFL Combine. Take it for what it is, an opinion. And feel free to critique it. I will be adding the Quarterback and the Defensive Risers/Fallers tonight when they finish their workouts.<u>Runningback Risers:</u>Chris Henry - RB - Arizona - Officially 4.40 at 220 lbs, Unofficially was in the 4.3's. Also did real well in both Shuttle Drills, the Three Cone, and the Broad Jump, finishing Top 5 in each. Definitely a workout warrior.Now Projected to go: Rounds 3-4Antonio Pittman - RB - Ohio State - Officially 4.40, pretty good for someone pegged as a 4.5 guy. Also fared well in the 20 shuttle and the Three Cone.Now Projected to go: Round 2Brian Leonard - RB/FB - Rutgers - Offensive Lineman type number for reps with 28 and ran a 4.49, not to mention looked very good in the 60 yard Shuttle and the Three Cone Drill. Now Projected to go: Top Half of Round 2Adrian Peterson - RB - Oklahoma - Yeah, he was expected to do well, but Running Unofficially in the 4.3's and officially a 4.40, and faring well in the other drills helps remind people just how explosive he really is. Now Projected to go: Top 5.<u>Runningback Fallers:</u>Tony Hunt - RB - Penn State - Didn't work out and should have. Also not considered a great athlete so hurt by people like Leonard and Pittman putting on a show.Now Projected to go: Round 3-4Gary Russell - RB - Minnesota - Considered a potential Mid Round Steal by most until he posted a 4.8 in the 40 yard dash. Also doesn't help weighing in 14 pounds above his listed weight from 2005.Now Projected to go: Late Day 2<u>Wide Reciever Risers:</u>Calvin Johnson - WR - Georgia Tech - Is there any question that he is the best player in the draft this year? And quite possibly the best prospect of the past Decade. The Raiders will be making a big mistake when they pass on him. He ran a 4.35 at the Combine after checking in at 239 pounds. Now Projected to go: Top 5Robert Meachem - WR - Tennessee - Held to his word and ran a 4.39 at the NFL Combine. This sepearates him from the other receivers on the board like Sidney Rice and Anthony Gonzalez and puts him right up there with Ted Ginn Jr, Dwayne Jarrett, and Dwayne Bowe as First Round Locks.Now Projected to go: 10-32Jason Hill - WR - Washington State - Ran a blazing 4.32 40 yard dash which definitely caught people's eyes, also coming off a good campaign at the Senior Bowl. I'm a buyer on this kid and think he is going to make an impact at the next level. Now Projected to go: Round 3Aundrae Allison - WR - East Carolina, Mike Walker - WR - UCF - Both capitalized on the Combine Invitation by Running a 4.3 in their 40 yard dashes. However, they'll find a hard time moving too far up this stocked Wide Reciever class. Now Projected to go: Early Day 2<u>Wide Reciever Fallers:</u>Johnnie Lee Higgins - WR - UTEP - Expected to post a time in the 4.3 range, he disapointed when he posted a 4.48. Considering he is also very raw as a prospect, that is enough to move him into Day 2. Now Projected to go: Early Day 2.Dwayne Jarrett - WR - USC - Disappointed alot of people when he chose not to participate at the Combine. Will need a strong Pro Day to rebound from this choice.Now Projected to go: 16-32.Sidney Rice - WR - South Carolina - Not that he performed really poorly, but his main competition (Robert Meachem and Anthony Gonzalez) posted much better in the 40 yard dash. He failed to capitalize on this opportunity and it will hurt him a bit.Now Projected to go: Round 2. <u>Tight End Risers:</u>Greg Olsen - TE - Miami (FL) - Ran the best 40 time of his position by 0.2 Seconds. Made himself by far the best Tight End on the board in Offically 4.51 Seconds.Now Projected to go: Round 1<u>Tight End Fallers:</u>Zach Miller - TE - Arizona State - Had a very disappointing day by looking slow in every single drill, and his main competition in Greg Olsen gaining all the scouts attention.Now Projected to go: Mid Round 2 - Round 3<u>Offensive Line Risers:</u>Justin Blalock - G - Texas - Posted 40 reps of 225 lbs, and a solid 40 yard dash of 5.1 seconds for a 320 lb Offensive Lineman. Beat out his main competition of Ben Grubbs in most areas.Now Projected to go: Round 1Ryan Kalil - C - USC - Some people may make a bit of an issue with him being Sub 300 pounds, but when you can bench press 225 lbs 34 times, does it really matter? He also impressed with a 40 time in Under 5 seconds.Now Projected to go: Very Early Round 2Tony Ugoh - T - Arkansas - Posted a 40 time in of 5.06 seconds and 32 reps of 225 pounds. I believe he sepearated himself as the #3 Offensive Tackle in the draft.Now Projected to go: Very Early Round 2<u>Offensive Line Fallers:</u>Levi Brown - T - Penn State - While he showed off his strength, he created a big question mark in terms of his speed when he ran his 40 yard dash in 5.39 seconds. Does he have enough speed to deal with the Speed Rushers in the NFL or will he be just a Right Tackle at the next level?Now Projected to go: 16-32.Joe Thomas - T - Wisconsin - Don't get me wrong, he wasn't particularly bad at the Combine. But he didn't show the kind of measureables that a Top 5 pick should have. He was merely average in terms of his bench press at 28, and weighed in at a D'Brickashaw Ferguson like 303 lbs. With the monster days that Calvin Johnson and Adrian Peterson had, I think it hurt Joe Thomas to raise some question marks at this point. Now Projected to go: Top 10.<u>Defensive Line Risers:</u>Brian Robison - DE - Texas - Out of a potential DE/OLB tweener at the next level, he put up some of the best numbers I have seen since Shawne Merriman (Granted he hasn't had half of the production on the field Merriman had though). 4.67 in the 40 yard dash, 27 reps of 225 pounds, and a 40.5 inch vertical helps push him in the back half of Round 2, or very early Round 3.Now Projected to go: Late Round 2 - Early Round 3.Tim Crowder - DE - Texas - Robison's teammate also put up some impressive numbers, running his 40 yard dash in 4.69 Seconds with 32 reps of 225 pounds. He would make a good impact on a 4-3 team as a Defensive End at the next level. Now Projected to go: Top Half of Round 2.Alan Branch - DT - Michigan - Some questions began to rise about his speed and he answered them when the big man ran his 40 yard dash in 5.04 seconds. Also lifted 225 lbs 33 times. He more did damage control and maintained his stock in the Top 10 then anything else.Now Projected to go: Top 10<u>Defensive Line Fallers:</u>Justin Harrell - DE - Tennessee - Very average numbers at the combine raise question marks of if he has fully recovered from his injury, or if he was ever that good to begin with. Now Projected to go: Round 3Victor Abiamiri - DE - Notre Dame, Jay Moore - DE - Nebraska - Abiamiri ran his 40 yard dash in 4.8 seconds, Jay Moore in 4.92 seconds, and both looked poor in the Linebacker drills. Will be a Defensive End at the next level. Now Projected to go: Round 3Dan Bazuin - LB - Central Michigan - Ran a decent 40 at 4.70, but had stiff hips and looked poor in the Linebacker drills. Will be a defensive end at the next level. Now Projected to go: Round 3-4<u>Linebacker Risers:</u>Patrick Willis - LB - Ole Miss - Answered alot of questions when he ran his 40 yard dash in 4.51 seconds officially. The play making Linebacker is for sure a First Round talent. Now Projected to go: 10-20David Harris - LB - Michigan - Mixed Results, but his good 40 time (4.53) will outweigh his otherwise average day. Now Projected to go: Round 2-3Zak DeOssie - LB - Brown - This Ivy-League Converted Saftey really caught people's eyes when he blazed a 4.58 in his 40 yard dash and other drills, a full tenth of a second better then expected. He was a former ballboy with the Patriots so expect the Jets, Browns, Patriots and other members of the Belicheck tree to be extremely interested. His father is also a former NFL player.Now Projected to go: Round 3<u>Linebacker Fallers:</u>Lawrence Timmons - LB - Florida St. - While he was listed as 6'3", he measured in under 6'1". Those 2 inches could potentially make a huge difference. Now Projected to go: Late Round 1 - Round 2.Jon Abbate - LB - Wake Forest - He ran his 40 yard dash in 4.98 Seconds despite being 231 Pounds. Enough Said.Now Projected to go: Undrafted.
     
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    Chris Henry is a hell of an athlete but I doubt he will go 2nd round, not even 3rd round IMO.Also, Levi Brown could still be a top 10 pick. Like you said, he will be a RT, but that still doesn't take away from the fact that he will be a very very good RT.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (The Punisher @ Feb 26 2007, 02:22 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Chris Henry is a hell of an athlete but I doubt he will go 2nd round, not even 3rd round IMO.Also, Levi Brown could still be a top 10 pick. Like you said, he will be a RT, but that still doesn't take away from the fact that he will be a very very good RT.</div>I said Chris Henry would go 3rd-4th. ;)And, Right Tackles are generally a lower valued position then a Left Tackle. Reason being is that for any Right-Handed QB, the Left Tackle protects the Quarterbacks blindside and often goes against the better Pass Rushing DE. An Elite Right Tackle doesn't go higher then 20 usually.
     
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    I don't think Joe Thomas's numbers were bad enough to bump him to top 10. He won't drop past Arizona at 5.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (chang @ Feb 26 2007, 03:37 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>I don't think Joe Thomas's numbers were bad enough to bump him to top 10. He won't drop past Arizona at 5.</div>Well, the numbers I said was more where the players value is IMO instead of where he will be taken. I probably should have taken into account Arizona's desperate need for a Tackle when making that prediction though as I tend to agree with ya that he probably wouldn't get past Arizona.
     
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    Not bad overall, but you may want to add Darius Walker to the running back fallers. I wouldn't be surprised if he falls to the sixth or seventh.
     
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    Darius Walker did suck. I think he ran a 4.56 40. Should've stayed at ND or something.I now have my own sleeper pick. Laurent Robinson of Illinois State. He ran a 4.38 40, and he's a 6-2, 200 pound guy. I think he could be a Colston type of guy (doubt he'll be as good as Colston was his first year though).
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (GaMeTiMe @ Feb 26 2007, 05:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Not bad overall, but you may want to add Darius Walker to the running back fallers. I wouldn't be surprised if he falls to the sixth or seventh.</div>My one thing with Darius Walker is I have a hard time dropping a player who ran at most .06 slower then he was supposed to. We're not talking a player known for his speed here posting a 4.5. Then again, I think Rice and Thomas will drop for less.....ehh....I don't know. Not to mention he also finished excellent in the Vertical Jump and Broad Jump. I agree that he's a Day 2 pick, but just how much did his stock fall by Running pretty close to the time he was expected to?
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Brooksie5 @ Feb 27 2007, 10:20 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Laurent Robinson of Illinois State. He ran a 4.38 40, and he's a 6-2, 200 pound guy. I think he could be a Colston type of guy (doubt he'll be as good as Colston was his first year though).</div>Small School kid with great numbers across the board at the combine, but to me he seems extremely inconsistent against a not great schedule, and had a major drop-off in numbers last season. He did miss 4 games due to injury, but even if he had played them he would have been on pace for about 400 yards less then last season. He's the kind of guy who caught 160 yards one week and then 16 the next. That's pretty much all I know on him though, sorry.Marques Colston was 6'4, 220 with a 4.41 in his 40 yard dash also and caught everything in sight. Alot bigger a target with similar speed (0.03 difference). Robinson might be a pretty good pick on Day 2 though.
     
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    Added my DE and Linebacker Riser/Fallers.
     
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    Robinson didn't drop a pass the whole time either.
     
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    Add Quentin Moses onto the DE's that sucked at the combine...
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (Invesco @ Feb 27 2007, 07:18 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'>Add Quentin Moses onto the DE's that sucked at the combine...</div>That I should have, must have overlooked him. I'll do it later when I add the Defensive Backs.
     
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    <div class='quotetop'>QUOTE (AdropOFvenom @ Feb 26 2007, 01:29 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}></div><div class='quotemain'><u>Linebacker Fallers:</u>Lawrence Timmons - LB - Florida St. - While he was listed as 6'3", he measured in under 6'1". Those 2 inches could potentially make a huge difference.</div>He also ran a 4.6 40 when he was expected to run a 4.4.
     

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